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I can't imagine there being anything other than a not guilty verdict??

When is this supposed to be decided? My mother is talking about being in Baltimore Sunday.

Being this is one with murder charges, a not guilty could bring some unrest.


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Judge Williams also mentioned that defense may "truncate their case."


Ouch!!! That doesn't sound good for somebody.


Is that the equivalent of the run-rule in little league?
 
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Judge Williams also mentioned that defense may "truncate their case."


Translation. "Lets not drag this abysmal case on any longer. Prosecution is wasting everyone's time at this point."


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It's time to start thinking about the liberal application of tar and feathers on Baltimore city government officials.

What a waste of taxpayer money, and a nightmare for the police officers. Mad


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How can any of them actually do their job now that they know they'll be thrown under the political bus? Damn shame what's happened there.

If I were an officer there, I'd be looking at transfers sooner than later to a department that will back you up.


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This whole thing has been a disaster from day one. Mosby and her office couldn't look any worse. The little bit of "evidence" they had, they tried to hide from the defense.

They even tried to set them up with a favorable Judge and it's still blowing up in their faces. I hope all of these officers win their lawsuit against Mosby! Especially when she is forced to drop the charges and not even try the remaining officers.
 
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I hope all of these officers win their lawsuit against Mosby! Especially when she is forced to drop the charges and not even try the remaining officers.


You think she has enough class to do the right thing and DROP CHARGES? Not a cold day in hell. Smug bitch.


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Tar and feathers


That's a great idea for her next photo shoot in Vogue

http://www.vogue.com/13274162/...altimore-prosecutor/



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Tar and feathers


That's a great idea for her next photo shoot in Vogue

http://www.vogue.com/13274162/...altimore-prosecutor/


Hey, she might just be on Judge Judy again.
 
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There won't be any backlash against the politicians who persecuted these officers, the reason they failed in obtaining justice for poor Freddy will be, 1.) White privilege, 2.) George W. Bush, 3.) White racists who hate Obama and love Trump, and finally the ever present white evil the NRA. They won't ever mention Freddy was POS drug dealer and felon, who caused his own injuries and that they saw political mileage in trying to burn cops. NO NONE OF THAT. This was racial and social justice. Can America take another 8 years of this?
 
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Judge Williams denies motion for judgment of acquittal. Charges go forward to next phase of trial, which is def presentation.

apparently prosecution has rested

first def witness Det Corey Alston, another of the lead investigators
Alston testifies that manner of death was discussed with medical examiner, but isn't allowed to say what was discussed

State says he didn't take notes of mtg.
"I did"
"Did you ever produce to state?"
"Yes"
"Do you have a copy?"
"I do"
Schatzow reviews notes w his back to Alston. He then says notes don't detail any discussion of manner of death...

Alston says that's a practice, so that he won't have any notes that will conflict with what appears in final autopsy report

While Alston couldn't discuss what Dr Allan said, Williams yesterday ruled Det Taylor could, due to state discovery violation...

Next witness: Det Taylor.

Chief Deputy Schatzow asks Taylor if it's true that "you were removed from the case when I accused you of sabotaging the prosecution"

Taylor: "You made the request, but you don't have authority to remove me."
"You were not removed?" Schatzow asks.
"No" Taylor responds

Schatzow then accuses Taylor of withholding information and working with defense.. She says info was given to Bledsoe, who pushed it away..

Now Schatzow alleges @BaltimorePolice command staff wanted Gray's death ruled an accident.

"Allan stated on several occasions that (the death) was an accident," Taylor says

Allan = medical examiner

Taylor testified that Allan had said during a meeting in the days after Gray's death that it was a "freakish accident, and that no human hands can cause this."

Allan eventually ruled Gray's death a homicide, and testified that she never considered it an accident.

Schatzow accuses Taylor of writing up her notes after her falling out w Bledsoe, the other prosecutor

"My problems with Ms Bledsoe were about her integrity," Taylor says.

"Now you're making allegations about her integrity?" Schatzow says

Taylor said she was never removed, just agreed to stop having communications with the State's Attorney's Office.

An extended discussion of why she hadn't turned over to the prosecution her notes that referenced Allan's comments about Gray's death being an accident.

She said Bledsoe had opportunities to see her notes, but repeatedly had "tantrums" during their meeting

this is like a bad movie


Adding: 3 years ago Prosecutor Bledsoe represented Freddie Gray as a public defender.

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More on Det Taylor's testimony:

Schatzow asked Taylor who else from the police department was with her when Medical Examiner Allan allegedly said Gray's death was a "freakish accident."

She identified a long list of top commanders, including current Commissioner Kevin Davis.

Schatzow asked her if all of the commanders in the room had suggested to Allan that Gray's death was an accident. Taylor said they had not, and that Allan had offered the assessment on her own.

if a long list of Baltimore police commanders knew that the medical examiner was lying for over a year, and they stood quietly by, that is one more tragedy and betrayal in this case

There was then an extended discussion regarding Taylor's testimony that she had taken notes at the meeting with Allan, and the state's contention that she had given those notes directly to the defense without providing them to the state.

Taylor said she offered her notes multiple times to Bledsoe, but that Bledsoe either ignored them or pushed them away when offered.

The fiery exchange between Schatzow and Taylor was repeatedly broken up by conferences between prosecutors and defense attorneys at Williams' bench.

After Taylor, the defense called Officer Mark Butler, who like Goodson is a longtime van driver for the department . He said he was never trained on seat-belting passengers .

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during discussion of why Judge Williams did not dismiss the charges,

Williams questioned Schatzow before making his ruling, at one point saying the state had no evidence of anyone observing a "physical manifestation of anything wrong" with Gray prior to him being discovered not breathing in the back of a transport van.

He also asked the state to acknowledge that it had not presented evidence of a rough ride.

"The No. 1 piece of evidence," Schatzow responded to that question, "is that the man suffered an injury that killed him."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160616-story.html
 
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If I were an officer there, I'd be looking at transfers sooner than later to a department that will back you up.


If you were an officer there, you would have been looking at transfers loooong before Freddie Gray. While there is certainly a large contingent of the City PD that is passionate and professional about their work, it's also the LEA that pretty much takes all comers - including, sometimes I'm convinced, those who couldn't land unarmed security jobs at Wally World.

I do feel very sorry for the former group, however.

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If you were an officer there, you would have been looking at transfers loooong before Freddie Gray. While there is certainly a large contingent of the City PD that is passionate and professional about their work, it's also the LEA that pretty much takes all comers - including, sometimes I'm convinced, those who couldn't land unarmed security jobs at Wally World.


After my hiring experience with a LEA, I'm convinced that hiring processes for them are a joke.

They can hire someone totally fucked up yet pass over qualified candidates to want to do the job. It's like black magic.


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If I were an officer there, I'd be looking at transfers sooner than later to a department that will back you up.


If you were an officer there, you would have been looking at transfers loooong before Freddie Gray. While there is certainly a large contingent of the City PD that is passionate and professional about their work, it's also the LEA that pretty much takes all comers - including, sometimes I'm convinced, those who couldn't land unarmed security jobs at Wally World.

I do feel very sorry for the former group, however.

-Rob


All comers of a certain racial background.

I have family and friends that work in the BPD. some in patrol and some in special units. A lot of them stay because the overtime is unlimited and some of them bring in 6 figures with it. Plus it can be difficult to lateral to Baltimore County, and going fed has it's ups and downs as well.
 
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More on Det Taylor's testimony:

Schatzow asked Taylor who else from the police department was with her when Medical Examiner Allan allegedly said Gray's death was a "freakish accident."

She identified a long list of top commanders, including current Commissioner Kevin Davis.

Schatzow asked her if all of the commanders in the room had suggested to Allan that Gray's death was an accident. Taylor said they had not, and that Allan had offered the assessment on her own.

if a long list of Baltimore police commanders knew that the medical examiner was lying for over a year, and they stood quietly by, that is one more tragedy and betrayal in this case

There was then an extended discussion regarding Taylor's testimony that she had taken notes at the meeting with Allan, and the state's contention that she had given those notes directly to the defense without providing them to the state.

Taylor said she offered her notes multiple times to Bledsoe, but that Bledsoe either ignored them or pushed them away when offered.

The fiery exchange between Schatzow and Taylor was repeatedly broken up by conferences between prosecutors and defense attorneys at Williams' bench.

After Taylor, the defense called Officer Mark Butler, who like Goodson is a longtime van driver for the department . He said he was never trained on seat-belting passengers .

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during discussion of why Judge Williams did not dismiss the charges,

Williams questioned Schatzow before making his ruling, at one point saying the state had no evidence of anyone observing a "physical manifestation of anything wrong" with Gray prior to him being discovered not breathing in the back of a transport van.

He also asked the state to acknowledge that it had not presented evidence of a rough ride.

"The No. 1 piece of evidence," Schatzow responded to that question, "is that the man suffered an injury that killed him."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160616-story.html



Holy freaking shit.

I hope they bury those goddam prosecutors so far under the jail when they finish with all of this that they shit worms for the rest of their worthless lives.




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He also asked the state to acknowledge that it had not presented evidence of a rough ride.

"The No. 1 piece of evidence," Schatzow responded to that question, "is that the man suffered an injury that killed him."
What the..? I'm not a lawyer (my parents where married Razz), but that makes no sense whatsoever to me. Yeah, Gray died. But the only part of this whole cluster that matters is how he died, and it appears the prosecution has failed miserably in proving anything on this issue.

Might as well cut Goodson loose now. Prosecution 0, Defense 3.


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