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My thoughts exactly, jimmy123x. Will be handling this first thing in the a.m. | |||
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Premium (high octane) gas can have ethanol in it. Ethanol increases octane. There's a good possibility that regular unleaded will have the same amount of ethanol as premium does. | |||
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So if I can't locate non-ethanol gas nearby would it make a difference if I fill up with premium unleaded vs regular unleaded? | |||
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That is true, but e85 is lower octane, so the 93 bumps it up a bit. | |||
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Just siphon out what you can. Replace with acceptable gas. Octane is just just a flash inhibitor. It won't matter if you use regular or premium unless it calls for higher octane gasoline. | |||
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All octanes use ethanol and E85 is actually much higher- like 105 octane or so. This is why GM publishes two horsepower/torque figures- on on 87 and the other on E85. | |||
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Their website is wrong. It is most certainly not ok to run E85 in "any car 2001 or newer" unless it is a Flex Fuel vehicle. In addition to the degraded fuel lines already mentioned E85 will cause a non-Flex Fuel car to run very lean. Flex Fuel cars for E85 have much bigger fuel injectors, an E85 fuel sensor, and alternate fuel maps in the ECU. E85 requires a much larger amount of fuel be injected to maintain the ideal air/fuel ratio and a non-Flex fuel car does not have the ability to do this with E85. | |||
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I wasn't in the oil & gas business until the early 90s, but this EPA web page states it began being used in 1979 when lead was removed. Throughout the 90s, MTBE and Ethanol were the two primary oxygenates with MTBE being more prevalent since it was made at refineries and blended with gasoline at the refinery (ethanol isn't transported by pipeline so it's blended at the loading rack into the tanker that delivers gasoline to gas stations). Check out Pages 16 - 20 of this 1998 California Air Resource Board Overview of Oxygenates in Gasoline. Due to its propensity to contaminate ground water, it was phased out first by California plus a few other states then the federal gov't. Here is a pretty good history of MTBE and oxygenate regulations. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Gator73, can you be specific about the actual "E85 website?" I'd like to check it out to see if it's a propaganda site or legit. Were you able to siphon from your wife's car to your e85 car? Many vehicles have anti-siphon valves between the filler cap and the tank. My old Silverado did which I found out in the aftermath of a hurricane when my Silverado had 27 gallons in its tank and my generator was burning 10 gallons a day. The link I posted on page 1 shows 753 ethanol free gas stations in Florida. If one isn't nearby, I'd just use 87 octane from a Top Tier brand of gasoline. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Well, unfortunately there must be an anti-siphon mechanism since I ran the siphon tube about 2 1/2 feet in before it stopped and it just sucked air. It wasn't wet when I pulled it out. There were several sites I've seen saying it won't harm vehicles 2001 or newer...probably propaganda sites. Here's one: https://getethanol.com/faq/ I'm going to just have her drive and stop to top off the tank every day/every other day with 93 octane then maybe add some fuel system/injector cleaner of some sort?? Damn. | |||
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Well, re-reading some comments I'm still confused on which octane to use as she drives. Any suggestions on whether any sort of fuel cleaner should be used and if so, which? Thanks. | |||
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That is definitely a propaganda site. It's owned by Growth Energy who is a political action committee for ethanol production plants as well as other farmer groups. The FAQ page is full of bald faced lies, and the only thing I'd trust is the link to find e15 and e85 gas stations. You do not need to fill-up with 93 octane UNLESS the owner's manual specifically requires it. If it doesn't, just use 87 octane from a Top Tier brand. I'd advise against a fuel system cleaner for several reasons: Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Some Toyota models have access to the fuel pump or gauge sender through the floor under the seat. Then you can siphon the fuel. Otherwise, run the tank low and fill it up with proper fuel and be done with it. Whatever E85 is left will be progressively diluted each time you fill the tank and eventually disappear. | |||
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Unlike the grades of gasoline being distinguished by octane numbers, the '85' in E85 doesn't mean the octane rating, it means that's the maximum concentration of ethanol in the blend. It has a significantly higher octane rating than even premium gasoline. My flex fuel capable Fusion is also rated at higher horsepower on E85 than on gasoline. Fuel consumption is much higher than with regular gasoline also though, even when not driving it to take advantage of the extra power. I would get that E85 out of the car ASAP. I would also recommend offering the person who keeps filling the car with that crap an education in why that's a bad idea. It doesn't matter that it's cheaper per gallon than 87 octane regular when it ruins your vehicle. ------------- $ | |||
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Gotcha. I'm guessing there are a lot of people that use E85 just not knowing any better. Yes, it is marked as such however, there aren't any warnings whatsoever to not use it unless your vehicle is built to do so. What a fricken' mess. No problems so far - starts, runs, accelerates, etc. as normal. Just hoping no long term repairs will be needed. | |||
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I was curious so I did a little digging on Toyota's website and found two docs that may be useful: Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Higher Octane does not by itself mean higher horsepower. In fact it's quite the opposite. Especially if you're using E85 in a vehicle designed for regular gas. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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Jimmy.. You are Wrong.. any car made since 2001 has to have fuel lines that are compatible with Ethanol.. E15 which is mandated in all states has Ethanol. and 93 oct does not have less Ethanol.. Octain is no a problem with E85 is is much higher than gas. if he wants to dilute it he needs Recreational gas with 0 Ethanol. _______________________________ 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but > because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton NRA Endowment Life member NRA Pistol instructor...and Range Safety instructor Women On Target Instructor. | |||
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Is your car a flex fuel vehicle? I use ethanol-free gas in my old motorcycle and small gas engines, some of these sites may only sell gas for marine/small engine use. Active map of stations that sell "pure gasoline" | |||
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You are only 50% correct so let's analyze point by point: Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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