Oh FFS

This 100% cements my decision to no longer have anything to do with the stupid woke trash this TV show has become:


Doctor Who’s Russell T Davies Indicates Davros’ Classic Look is Being Retired as it “Associated Disability With Evil”


It started getting pretty preachy in the latter half of Peter Capaldi and I couldn’t get into the female Doctor Jodie Whittaker one bit.

Sad for a show that hits its 60th anniversary this year

Eh, whatever.

Doctor Who has been dead to me since the Jodi Whitaker era. She was a good actor and a good Doctor, but the stories SUCKED (the show was trending in that direction in the last 2 Peter Capaldi seasons, too). They were all depressing and boring. I had zero interest in them.

As far as Davros is concerned, he's a badass in a wheelchair. Can't have a competent villain with a disability, I guess. It's like taking the Indian off the butter label and banning Uncle Ben from the rice box. They don't realize that, by trying to be 'PC,' they are removing good/great personas and minority representation from the public view.

Davros just isn't Davros without his wheelchair. So, they would rather eliminate him. I NEVER associated him with 'Disability=Evil.' That was probably a hand-wringing virtue-signaler desperately looking for something to be offended over. Like the morons who protested Speedy Gonzalez and had the character removed, without bothering to find out that many latinos LOVE him because he represents them.

So, I bet they don't make any effort to add a character in a wheelchair - they just remove the 'representation' from the show and break their hands patting their own backs. . .

Wait I thought we wanted handicapped representation.

As was said above so succinctly. FFS!!!!!!


Yes a cheesy 70s era villain has totally made me look at all wheelchair bound folks with suspicion and ire ready for them to turn evil at the turn of a hat.

Sigh one more time. FFS!!!!!

Never once have I associated "disability" with "evil", this is just stupid PC run amok again.

Isn't Davros supposed to be half Dalek? Those were his creation so it would make sense that he become partially one of them.

Anyway, I'm done with this show. For me it ends with Matt Smith, Peter Capaldi was the start of the insufferable preachiness and it no longer being fun.

Just saw a Reddit thread on this and 98% of the responses were negative, that this was a stupid pandering move by Russel T Davies, and actual disabled Redditors chiming in about the whole "disabled is evil" trope being the dumbest thing they ever heard.

Best reply in the thread was "RTD is a walking virtue signal"

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Originally posted by cslinger:
Wait I thought we wanted handicapped representation.

As was said above so succinctly. FFS!!!!!!

I thought the same thing. Are they trying to say handicapped people are incapable of becoming evil masterminds?

I've tried to find the newer [2005-newer] but am coming up dry.
Anyone know where these can be found to watch?

Based on what I've read, I'd probably do at least Eccleston, Tennant & Smith.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
I've tried to find the newer [2005-newer] but am coming up dry.
Anyone know where these can be found to watch?

Based on what I've read, I'd probably do at least Eccleston, Tennant & Smith.

Eccleston & Tennant
Matt Smith

Capaldi was worth watching but IMO not worth paying for. Whittaker, don't bother unless you like watching woke crap.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
I've tried to find the newer [2005-newer] but am coming up dry.
Anyone know where these can be found to watch?

Based on what I've read, I'd probably do at least Eccleston, Tennant & Smith.

Looks like HBO Max is the best bet:

https://www.roku.com/whats-on/...5cd78e81dfc26eb6c483

Yes, those 3 were good. It changed with Capaldi, not sure if it was writers or him, but it was no longer as fun and not taking itself so seriously.

Didn't think about the DVD angle. Don't currently have one set up on our TV.

Don't have MAX, had tried pretty much all the other services we do have.

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Yes, those 3 were good. It changed with Capaldi, not sure if it was writers or him, but it was no longer as fun and not taking itself so seriously.

It was both for me. It was one of his first episodes where a female soldier wanted to travel with him but he said no because "YOU are a SOLDIER" in an extremely demeaning way that had nothing to do with the story. I was done right there, turned it off and never went back.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:
It was both for me. It was one of his first episodes where a female soldier wanted to travel with him but he said no because "YOU are a SOLDIER" in an extremely demeaning way that had nothing to do with the story. I was done right there, turned it off and never went back.

I kinda remember that episode.

Agree with pretty much all the above assessment.

Eccleston was quite good but didn't stick around long enough to really get an attachment to him.
Tenant was also very good (my fav). He had possibly one of the most memorable episodes ever with the weeping angels.
Smith was.... ok. I never felt as invested with him as I did with the first two.
Then along came Capaldi.. and it was weird to have the new doctor as someone who played a role in one of the prior episodes (he was a Roman soldier or something... I think Vesuvius was erupting in that episode). He also just gave the series a much gloomier aspect overall.
I watched maybe 3 episodes with Whittaker.
Couldn't handle it.
Writing was just garbage and too loaded with politics.
It's a TV show FFS.. It's supposed to be entertaining - not preachy and judgey!

Eccleston was AWESOME as the Doctor. Just the right mix of childish wonder but with an underlying edge to him.

Loved Tennent as well

Smith was OK. A little too whimsical for me.

I liked Capaldi quite a bit. The problem was this was when the writing started to tank. He still had some great eps though.

As for Whitaker here is my unpopular take. She could have made an amazing Doctor and I had no particular core issue with the Doctor regenerating as a woman. (Well I mean I wouldn’t have if had been a completely creative decision vs a check box one). The problem with Whitaker’s tenure was the writing was HORRENDOUS combined with so much preachy woke of the weak bullshit that it’s basically unwatchable. I think I would have quite liked Jodi Whitaker as the Doctor with good writing and creative story telling that still honored traditional WHO. I liked the Grant and Ryan’s dynamic together. Yaz was insufferable.

I am a child of Tom Baker though. Tom Baker will always be “my” Doctor.

Whitaker was good in Broadchurch, so I'd have given her a go, if it weren't for all the bad reviews of it.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

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Yes, those 3 were good. It changed with Capaldi, not sure if it was writers or him, but it was no longer as fun and not taking itself so seriously.

It was both for me. It was one of his first episodes where a female soldier wanted to travel with him but he said no because "YOU are a SOLDIER" in an extremely demeaning way that had nothing to do with the story. I was done right there, turned it off and never went back.

Yeah, Season 8 Episode 2, "Into the Dalek." This was the very first Doctor Who episode I ever watched. He was a douchebag to her for no good reason - in the past, he was on great terms with soldiers (Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart in the 1980s, a bunch in the 2005 reboot). Also, he has a higher body count than any single human soldier in history, so that was really hypocritical. But, I liked that season. Mummy on the Orient Express was also great, IMO.

Season 9-10 sort of sucked, IMO. They just had stupid stories.

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he has a higher body count than any single human soldier in history,

Ya think. Like 20 million Daleks and few million Galifrayins or whatever they are called. Not to mention all the ancillary kills.

Yeah the Doctor has a notch or two in his screwdriver to be sure.

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Originally posted by creslin:

Then along came Capaldi.. and it was weird to have the new doctor as someone who played a role in one of the prior episodes (he was a Roman soldier or something... I think Vesuvius was erupting in that episode).

He played a Roman named Lobus Caecilius when the Doctor and Donna arrived at Pompeii one day before Mount Vesuvius erupted in 79 AD. One of my favorite episodes and a really good one.

Apparently it's a common thing for the Brits to "recycle" actors like that. They did a good job IMO of explaining this in the show when the new Doctor emerged and looked like Lobus Caecilius.

I quit halfway through Capaldi. I'm going to give Tennant a shot later today and see if I want to watch all three of the Specials before retiring from Doctor Who again.

While we are on the subject, I caught the first Doctor Who special (it's on Disney+ right now, with another two coming out in 1-week intervals).

It was REALLY good. Like "David Tennant Era" good. Of course, it is really interesting, in that they actually brought back David Tennant and perhaps my favorite Companion, Donna Noble (can't remember her real name).

They didn't explain why suddenly the Doctor is Tennant again. They mentioned he used to be a woman (Jodi Whitaker's Doctor), but then said he didn't know why he has this 'old' face again. I suppose they will explain it later, but I suspect it has more to do with ratings than anything else (not that I mind - Tennant is AMAZING).



Oh, they had a 'hero' in a wheelchair in this one. She worked for UNIT, and her wheelchair was the equivalent of a James Bond Astin Martin 'gadget car.' It was yet another interesting twist.



Mild spoilers here:

It's really interesting on several levels. I mean, it was just like a new Tennant/Donna Noble episode all over again. The writing was really good. It reminded me of the Season 2/3/4 shenanigans, and further shows why Tennant is considered by MANY to be the 'Best Doctor.' Of course, there was some woke crap in there, as should be expected by now. There was an alien and Donna's daughter interrupted The Doctor saying 'we haven't established its pronouns yet.' Or something equally stupid. There was another line about 'a Doctor presenting as a man could never understand ... blah blah blah women are better than men... blah blah...'

I think this has something to do with the backlash against the latest Doctor Who seasons (of which I have only seen maybe 4-5 episodes total). People don't like it or watch it, so they blame it on women-hating men. I said before, I like Whitaker's portrayal of The Doctor; the writing just sucks.

This one didn't end up all depressed - I actually watched a new Doctor Who episode and came away happy with the experience. It did not have a downer ending like so many recent ones. I mean, what's up with THAT?

The Doctor (and the audience) never finds out (yet) why he has Tennant's face again, but they did 'fix' Donna. It had been established that if she ever remembered her experiences with The Doctor, it would kill her. It was funny, as there was a legit alien army trying to kill them all, she is yelling "What the HELL is that?!?!?!," and everybody was trying to gaslight her and tell her "this isn't real." It was really funny, though they were doing so to save her life.

Well, they have a hand-wave techno-sciency thing to explain why the Doctor/Donna Metacrisis is over (again, women are better than men), and she and The Doctor leave to visit her grandfather. Madcap hilarities ensue and the TARDIS spins out of control and they go off on (yet) another adventure.



I really enjoyed it. My nephew even liked it, and he is no Whovian. I'm looking forward to the next two.

Of course, this really points out how the show has declined in recent years. They brought back the fan-favorite Doctor and Companion, and I think they are trying to re-ignite interest in the show. It may work, IF and ONLY if they fix the bad/depressing writing and start making the show fun again.

I've quoted these memes a lot, so I'll post them below to show how the show has grown so dark since 2005 (and these memes are several years old):

The Left doesn't see the disabled as equals. They see them as inferiors who can't make informed decisions without being told what is acceptable by the Left.