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Now three cars penalized for failing the post race tech inspection.
One was the second place finisher. All three went to the back of the finishing order.


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My son and I are planning to go to the Mid Ohio Indycar race. Never been.
Any tips? I'm in Cincinnati so one morning drive. Site map shows almost no stands, so I assume sit on hillsides?
Parking? I hope I don't have to walk too far.
 
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Mid Ohio is mostly open seating and great if you're going camping, but for the most part, bring your own chair and feel free to move whenever.

I can't help about the rest, but I did find some tips here:

https://www.trackforum.org/for...io-first-timer-guide

https://midohio.com/info/fan-guide

https://www.reddit.com/r/INDYC...or_a_first_timer_at/
 
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Originally posted by DanH:
Mid Ohio is mostly open seating and great if you're going camping, but for the most part, bring your own chair and feel free to move whenever.

I can't help about the rest, but I did find some tips here:

https://www.trackforum.org/for...io-first-timer-guide

https://midohio.com/info/fan-guide

https://www.reddit.com/r/INDYC...or_a_first_timer_at/


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Imagine if you've heard this before:

Dallara: Good news, the new chassis is going well and will be ready for 2027.

IndyCar: That's great! What powerplant are we using?

Dallara: I don't know. I just build a chassis. You'd have to ask an engine builder to make you an engine.

IndyCar: Fine, we'll do 2028.... Roll Eyes

https://racer.com/2025/06/12/i...ifts-new-car-to-2028

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IndyCar shifts new car to 2028

The IndyCar Series is formally shifting its new chassis and engine introduction from 2027 to 2028.

In a call with RACER on Thursday, a Penske Entertainment spokesperson confirmed IndyCar President Doug Boles has started notifying team owners of the new timeline that began to take shape towards the end of May.

Although it was not unexpected, the one-year delay comes out of necessity rather than desire. RACER understands that while the new spec chassis from Dallara is on schedule, the regulations governing the internal combustion engine design parameters, and the specifications for the energy recovery system, are nearing completion but remain unfinished.

Leaders from the Chevrolet and Honda IndyCar engine programs have told RACER it would take at least 18 months to turn a new set of engine rules into a pool of 50-plus motors apiece that have been properly developed, track tested, and readied to supply half of the field. Having reached June of 2025, and with the 18-month minimum pushing engine readiness into early 2027 – perilously close to the start of a new season if no delays were experienced – the switch to 2028 was made.

The added year should help the series and its vendors in all areas to ensure the 2028 car is fully ready to replace the aging Dallara DW12 chassis and the 2.2-liter twin-turbo V6 engines they carry, but the delay also creates a new contractual challenge for the series to address with is powertrain suppliers.

With both manufacturers obligated to provide their current motors through the end of 2026, a gap year has emerged for 2027 where IndyCar needs to find a solution to extend the 2.2-liter engine lease programs for another season.

Chevrolet, IndyCar’s reigning manufacturers’ champion, is widely expected to move forward with the series in 2028 and to cover the gap-year issue while building new engines to support the next formula. Honda, which serves as the series’ longest tenured engine supplier, has not signaled its intentions to stay or leave after 2026.

If both remain in IndyCar, the status quo would be maintained from 2027 onward. In that scenario, RACER understands that an engine development freeze coming out of the 2026 season would be likely for the 2.2-liter motors’ final year as the manufacturers place the majority of their focus and finances on creating the 2028 engines.

But if Honda elects to leave – among its options, a switch to NASCAR has been under consideration – Chevy would be the series’ only answer to cover the gap year. IndyCar Series owner Roger Penske also co-owns and co-founded Ilmor Engineering, the firm responsible for Chevy’s IndyCar engines.

Although Penske Entertainment is known to be in constant talks with a range of auto makers, and brands ranging from Nissan, Porsche and Toyota have been rumored as potential suppliers to join IndyCar when the next formula comes online, no new manufacturers have committed to participate in the series. However, that could change once the series completes its powertrain regulations and manufacturers have the ability to assess the costs to compete, marketing appeal, and technological relevance to their automobiles.
 
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Two absurd things I heard Townsend Bell say during this last weekends WWTR track;

1. TB said Will Powers mishap was caused by the pre-race firework debris?
2. TB said the race was packed with fans..I saw more empty seats than the ARMY parade in D.C.

I know it is probably just me but I am really tired of his mouth flapping, always alluding to something that is not. Please FOX get ride of TB Mad

Otherwise a good race and now Newgarden can join the ranks of Kirkwood as wild upside down, sparks flying, drivers.


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1) It's very possible that leftover firework debris caused an unusual delamination is a spot that rarely ever delaminates.

2) The front grandstand was almost a complete sell out. The other grandstand in one of the turns is not used.
 
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We finally found time to watch this race, Gateway puts on a good show again. A lot of newer guys seem to be coming to terms with ovals. Hated to see Malukas work so hard and throw it away. Epic Newgarden incident, Buxton was shocked how much of the car remained around Josef.

Many guys in position toward the end, good race, nice energy throughout.




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Give Fox a lot of credit, they were going to commercial, had the Josef Newgarden promo starting, and cut from it back to the wreck in progress instead of letting it go to side by side.

It seems the rest of the field has figured out how to run the hybrid on short ovals. Maybe they should work on road/street circuits for the right setup.
 
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https://racer.com/2025/06/21/i...of-2028-new-car-plan

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IndyCar reveals more details of 2028 new car plan

IndyCar shared a "status update" on the new race car the series plans to introduce for the 2028 season with team owners today at Road America.

The Dallara chassis, "will feature a look designed to appeal to a new generation of fans while keeping styling cues recognized by all as an IndyCar Series car," the series stated

“The time has come for a new NTT IndyCar Series chassis," IndyCar President Doug Boles said. “The DW12 served the series so well, as it provided a combination of phenomenal, wheel-to-wheel racing and critical enhancements to safety. But recent significant updates to the car – from the aeroscreen to the hybrid power unit – have helped advance the need for a completely new car. We are pleased by what our engineers and Dallara have collaboratively designed and believe it will appeal to the fans and paddock while also upholding our standards of safety and enhancing IndyCar's on-track competition well into the future.”

Three areas – competition, powertrain development and safety – are pillars of the engineering, design and development of the new car.

The new car aims to enhance competition by being better suited for racing on all four types of circuits the series visits – superspeedways, short ovals, street circuits and permanent road courses. Evolution of the new chassis has included work by Dallara and recently developed simulation technology, aimed at enhancing overall raceability.

Working in tandem with Dallara and other component suppliers, the overall car design includes a projected weight reduction of 85-100 pounds compared to the current DW12 chassis.

Plans also include a move a 2.4-liter twin-turbocharged V6 internal combustion engine, which is expected to provide more torque and power over the current engine formula.

Xtrac, an exclusive supplier for IndyCar since 2000, will continue to provide transmissions for the new chassis. Development for 2028 includes a gearbox that will shed 25 lbs from the currently unit and one that will share components with a future INDY NXT by Firestone gearbox – streamlining components for teams also involved in IndyCar’s development series.

Low-voltage hybrid engine technology, introduced to series competition with a successful launch in July 2024, will continue to evolve in the new car with longer deployment, more horsepower gain and overall improved performance.

Performance Friction Corporation (PFC) once again will be the exclusive supplier of brake system components for the series, as it has since 2017.

The new car will bolster safety to new benchmarks with an ergonomic driver cockpit to improve seating position, an integrated aeroscreen and a new roll hoop. The existing chassis was retrofitted with the aeroscreen upon that safety device’s introduction in 2020.

The series said renderings of the new car and additional technical details , along with additional partners, will be revealed at a later date.


We also had a banger of a race at Road America this weekend. Looks like more teams are coming to terms with working with the hybrid.

 
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Big big news happening:

https://racer.com/2025/07/31/f...penske-entertainment

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Fox Corporation acquires one-third interest in Penske Entertainment

Penske Entertainment and Fox Corporation, the parent company of FOX Sports, have announced that FOX has acquired a one-third interest in Penske Entertainment, including both IndyCar and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

The partners said the investment is expected to bolster the following initiatives:

* Innovative and industry-leading racing and entertainment events
* A hyper-engaged digital strategy and immersive content focus
* Enhanced promotion and star-building opportunities for NTT IndyCar Series drivers
* Today’s announcement also includes a multi-year extension of IndyCar's media rights with FOX Sports.

“This partnership is built on long-standing trust and a shared vision for the future,” Roger Penske said. “FOX sees the incredible potential across our sport and wants to play an active role in building our growth trajectory. Lachlan Murdoch and his team, starting with Eric Shanks, are committed to our success and will bring incredible energy and innovation to IndyCar.”

FOX Sports acquired IndyCar's media rights in 2025, bringing fresh promotional resources and significantly larger reach to the series. This year’s Indianapolis 500 on FOX averaged 7.01 million viewers, a 41 percent increase over the previous edition and a 17-year high. So far, the 2025 NTT IndyCar Series season is averaging a 31 percent increase in viewership year-over-year.

“We’re thrilled to join the IndyCar ownership group at such a pivotal time for the sport,” said Eric Shanks, CEO & Executive Producer, FOX Sports. “IndyCar represents everything we value in live sports — passionate fans, iconic venues, elite competition and year-round storytelling potential. This investment underscores our commitment to motorsports and our belief in IndyCar's continued growth on and off the track. We’re excited to help elevate the sport to new heights across all platforms.”


Finally, someone seems to be willing to market IndyCar instead of keeping it the best kept secret in racing.

https://racer.com/2025/07/31/p...-what-indycar-needed

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Why Fox's buy-in is exactly what IndyCar needed

By Marshall Pruett - Jul 31, 2025 at 3:32 PM CDT

It’s the thing Roger Penske said would never happen. It’s also the concession Roger Penske needed to make for the IndyCar Series to reach its full potential.

A broadcast partner with vast marketing and promotional expertise, with a new and vested financial interest in the success of a racing series, is everything IndyCar had been lacking. Fox, as co-owner of Penske Entertainment, should more than solve the problem as it brings its passion for the series to bear.

It now owns a one-third share of IndyCar, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Indy NXT and IMS Productions, and it’s the one big step that should take the series forward in the sporting marketplace.

Penske’s purchase of the series and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway on approach to 2020 gave IndyCar the kind of long-term stability it needed, and his leadership and financial sacrifice during the COVID-19 pandemic is what kept the series alive.

Hailed as one of the great business minds, Penske’s success with the myriad companies he created or bought and developed under the Penske Corporation banner is where his fortune was amassed. It’s also where the nature of those businesses, all of the brick-and-mortar variety, left the new venture as owner and promoter of the IndyCar Series in a bit of a compromise.

Among the range of highly-defined muscles within Penske’s empire, innovative marketing and promotions within the sports-entertainment industry was needing development. FOX’s arrival in 2025 as the new and exclusive broadcast for the series, and today’s news of its ownership stake, has turned IndyCar’s greatest liability into a formidable strength by Fox Corporation and FOX Sports.

IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN TOP-TIER AMERICAN SPORTS?

No, this is a unique arrangement. The NFL has massive media deals that bring in billions with telecasts spread across multiple networks, cable, and streaming, without those networks holding an ownership position in the league. The same is true for the NBA, MLB, and so on.

NASCAR is on an identical model with its races being carried across FOX, NBC, cable channels, and streaming while maintaining 100-percent ownership of its series.

Liberty Media, which owns the commercial rights of Formula 1 and MotoGP, is immensely powerful, but does not have network or cable solutions of its own to present its series.

In the IndyCar+FOX transaction, something new and different has been created between an elite sports property and a host broadcaster.

WHAT MADE PENSKE SELL NOW?

Since the purchase in 2020, the concept of taking on a strategic partner, with the ability to fill the institutional void in marketing and promoting a sporting league, has been suggested to Penske in a sustained manner by a wide array of people.

With great respect for Penske, and driven by a deep care and passion for IndyCar, there’s been a steady drum beat to find the right media ally with the means and vision to break the series out of its decades-long status as racing’s best-kept secret.

Years of attempts to increase awareness for IndyCar while facing stiff opposition from stick-and-ball sports, plus the rising imposition of Formula 1 in America and NASCAR’s well-known status as the top domestic racing series, have produced gains, but none that could be considered transformational.

IndyCar continues to move out of the sports-entertainment shadows, but at a glacial pace. Having tried to generate wider popularity for IndyCar and its drivers for multiple seasons through greater annual investments with its in-house marketing and promotion plans, the timing was right to heed those calls and welcome a proven force like Fox into the family.

WILL PENSKE CONTINUE TO SELL?

The rumored sale price of $130,000,000 for the one-third share is a significant sum, but I wouldn’t look at the number as the first step in a sell-off by Penske. Everything I’ve learned says this was a one-time opening of the books to formally align with Fox – a chance to turn a weakness into a significant advantage with the onboarding of a new ally – followed by a closing of the books.

Penske has always said, and aggressively so, that he would never sell IndyCar or IMS. Both are viewed as heirlooms – the kind of assets that stay within the family for generations – and to that end, his word holds true. A portion of the properties were sold, but at 66-percent ownership, Penske retains control of all aspects of the business.

This wasn’t an effort to pull money out of Penske Entertainment or to randomly seek capital and investors. Others, including Liberty Media, are known to have made efforts to acquire IndyCar, and in each instance, they’ve been denied.

Simply put, if Penske was looking to get out of IndyCar and IMS, there are much bigger paydays to engineer. Selling one-third to Fox Corporation is about improving the sport and raceway he loves for years to come.

HOW WILL IT WORK?

Penske Entertainment has a tenured leadership group that includes Penske Corporation President Bud Denker, CEO Mark Miles, IMS/IndyCar President Doug Boles, and others who are in charge of the day-to-day running of Penske Entertainment, IndyCar, and IMS.

No changes are expected with the existing managerial structure. However, look for additions to the Penske Entertainment board as Fox Corporation and FOX Sports become centrally involved in big-picture developments for the series and IMS. The likes of Miles and Boles won’t be sharing office space at 16th & Georgetown with new counterparts from FOX, but when it’s time to craft future strategies for the series and track, FOX Sports CEO Eric Shanks and other leaders within the FOX hierarchy will have plenty of ideas and opinions to offer.

This marriage isn’t one of convenience. It’s to make Penske Entertainment better, stronger, and more prosperous by adding Fox into the mix. Although Fox is a minority owner in the company, the last thing Penske or his executive team want to do is maintain the status quo. It’s in the creative infusion of someone like Shanks – now with a financial stake in IndyCar’s rise – where embracing change will benefit Penske Entertainment.

WHAT’S ONE BIG AREA WHERE FOX’S INFLUENCE COULD BE SEEN?

There are many ways the Penske+Fox relationship should change the trajectory of IndyCar, and in terms of internal adjustments, the most influential item on my radar is the events themselves.

By name, the entertainment side of Penske Entertainment has represented the events side of the business as promoter of the Detroit Grand Prix, and since the purchase in 2020, Penske has become the largest promoter of IndyCar events with the Long Beach Grand Prix, which it purchased during the offseason, the Indianapolis Grand Prix, Indy 500, Iowa Speedway, Milwaukee Mile and, for the first time, the upcoming season finale at Nashville Speedway.

It adds a new event in 2026 with the co-promotion of the Arlington Grand Prix, and has Mexico City on the menu as a Penske-led venture in the mix. Altogether, a growing portion of its business is concerned with creating and administering the events where its marquee series competes. And that is meant to expand with Fox and Shanks involved.

The places and years are waiting to be defined, but I continue to hear of a substantial motivation to create new, festival-like street racing events for IndyCar. NASCAR has identified the same strategy – to take its well-known series to the masses, in their metropolitan home towns, and build sizable new fan bases – as the best way to avoid stagnation.

It’s an age-old formula that was deployed domestically in the 1980 by IMSA and the CART IndyCar Series to drop its forms of racing into the laps of sports-loving audiences across the country, and it was wildly successful. In 1985, IMSA brought its sports cars, led by the GTP and GTO classes, to two street races. By 1987 it was up to five, and by 1990, seven street events among the 20 stops on the tour dominated the calendar as its popularity exploded.

CART’s IndyCar schedule for 1990 was more aggressive, with temporary circuits as seven of the 15 races were held in downtown or airport locations spanning California, Colorado, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey, and two visits to Canada with Vancouver and Toronto. Nearly half of the season was spent outside of ovals and permanent road courses, and while some fans don’t care for street courses, there’s no denying their impact.

As IndyCar searches for more – and younger – fans, creating downtown parties blended with motor racing is a proven tactic that Formula 1 is using to great effect, NASCAR’s cottoned onto, and lives within its history as a pivotal direction that helped make CART the leading racing series in North America by a wide margin.

Four of its 17 races today are held on street courses and that becomes five with the arrival of Arlington. Give the new relationship some time to develop, and by 2027 or 2028, don’t be surprised if a few more Fox-led street racing festivals — modeled after the Long Beach GP with its non-stop carousel of music, food and all-day action with different types of racing — is a greater part of IndyCar’s identity.

Rather than try to retool races where ticket-buying fans are on the decline, creating unforgettable new events in major hubs is where IndyCar’s new stakeholder wants to make a stand.

WHAT’S ANOTHER AREA WHERE FOX’S INFLUENCE COULD BE SEEN?

With its new ownership stake and a heightened need to make the series more popular and more profitable, we should see a shift away from traditional thinking around how IndyCar is scheduled and presented.

The standard window of races being reserved exclusively for weekends is up for reconsideration. NFL games are played on Mondays, Thursdays, and Sunday, and occasionally on Saturdays. Run through the other leagues, and most hold games three to four times per week, and with IndyCar’s new and favored status on FOX, a new approach to when and where events are held will become a priority.

Trying to twist and contort a schedule that’s restricted to Saturday and Sundays, while also trying to avoid big conflicts with other sporting events like The Masters that are more popular and sap viewership, does not need to continue. With a racing series that it co-owns, FOX can take a fresh approach to devising a calendar that isn’t entirely limited to the same highly congested broadcast windows that often conspire against better TV ratings.

Whether it’s a weeknight, Friday nights, or some other placement where IndyCar will have the best odds of being seen by new masses of sports fans, future IndyCar schedules should have the look of optimized broadcast placements with a bare minimum of head-to-head airtimes that limit the series’ growth.

AN OVERDUE SHOT IN THE ARM

The urgent need for more and better marketing and promotion for IndyCar has been lamented for far longer than Roger Penske has owned the series. It was a daily criticism when the series was owned by the Hulman George family. It was a seething topic of frustration when the former Indy Racing League existed, and within the IRL’s rivals at Champ Car.

For most of this century, the shortcoming associated with trumpeting and amplifying the unquestioned quality of IndyCar racing – under its various names and owners – has been the anchor that’s allowed NASCAR and F1 to match or rocket past its position in the market.

A sale of 33 percent to Fox isn’t an overnight cure. But it is the most encouraging media development in decades and has the potential to remove the biggest thorn from IndyCar’s paw. The racing series Fox now co-owns, on the network where most of the country’s sports fans go to get the NFL, MLB, the early portion of the NASCAR season and more, is the home team. Just as Penske’s done when he’s signed a driver to take his IndyCar team to new heights, he’s openly engaged and signed a new partner to make the series a heavyweight contender for the first time in ages. Imagine the possibilities.[/b]
 
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