How's this for hilarious: Sound of Freedom overtook Indiana Jones for the #1 movie in America on July 4th.



This was also a movie that Fox agreed to distribute, but Disney bitched out. This movie will most likely be profitable after this weekend with a $14.5 million budget while Indy costs $300 million before marketing.

Disney will be Disney.

https://townhall.com/columnist...gn=nl&recip=26773771

Don’t Believe the Haters, Indiana Jones 5 Is Awesome

I’ve been a part of online rage mobs against things I had no interest in or knowledge of. When I was young and stupid, I was young and stupid and I did all the things young and stupid people engaged in. Unlike the current crop of “hate everything” trolls on the Internet, however, I grew up. In not growing up there’s attention and what passes for power in the ability to declare something to be important, cool, awful or any number of things from a place of complete ignorance. Such seems to be the case in the attacks on the movie “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.”

Let me just start off by saying I love the Indiana Jones movies, they’re up there with Star Wars as being THE films of my childhood. Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade were awesome, Temple of Doom less so and I prefer to pretend Kingdom of the Crystal Skull never happened. The Dial of Destiny ranks up there with the Last Crusade, though you’d never know it from the press it has gotten. Of course, much, if not most of that press started long before anyone ever saw the movie.

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I saw it, no regrets. I was entertained and that is all I expect from a movie. I am not looking for some deeper meaning. The story was well crafted.

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How's this for hilarious: Sound of Freedom overtook Indiana Jones for the #1 movie in America on July 4th.



This was also a movie that Fox agreed to distribute, but Disney bitched out. This movie will most likely be profitable after this weekend with a $14.5 million budget while Indy costs $300 million before marketing.

Disney will be Disney.

“#1 movie”, LOL. Sound of Freedom opened on July 4th, which wasn’t a big movie day since it was a holiday. A singe day record that’s meaningless.

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I saw it, no regrets. I was entertained and that is all I expect from a movie.

Same here.

On par with the rest of the series, IMO. Maybe third after Raiders and Last Crusade, but in the mix.

I heard that it is nice and woke. So probably not until it shows up at Redbox. I can afford the $2 for a likely pile of sh!t.

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Originally posted by SigLaw:
I saw it, no regrets. I was entertained and that is all I expect from a movie.

Same here.

On par with the rest of the series, IMO. Maybe third after Raiders and Last Crusade, but in the mix.

I read the review on townhall.com a few days ago, and based on that decided to go. We thought it was actually quite good, and agree with your ranking of them. I’d like to know what parts were woke, because I really didn’t see anything in it that was. I think you’d really have to be looking in order to find it. For those that don’t want to see it in the theater, it’s well worth a rental.

My wife and I saw it over the weekend. I was led to believe, from many reviews, that it is uber woke and Indy is being replaced by the female character. So, to my somewhat pleasant surprise it was not nearly as bad as I feared. HOWEVER, it is still a "meh" movie, decently entertaining, and the woke-level is medium, not code red. For what it's worth...

I previously commented I would not be seeing the non-canon Indiana Jones 5. I stand by that. In my mind, there are only 3 films in the IJ universe.

I fully admit I'm at the point where even a smidgen of wokeness ruins whatever media I may be consuming.

If this film had come out in lieu of Crystal Skull, before Hollywood and specifically Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm made a concerted effort in marginalizing, emasculating, and deconstructing white males, this movie could have been fun.

However, Hollywood's resurrection of intellectual properties with white male characters, such as Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Willow, and replacing them with brunette females (stand-ins for Kathleen Kennedy) no one asked for, left me looking for any indicators they would repeat the process with IJ.

As a standalone film or if you completely ignore the culture war, I'm sure it's adequate. Fun even.

The thing I find entertaining about this slop is watching them get away with burning hundreds of millions of investor dollars to either lose money or break even. The fact KK still has a job is absolutely baffling to me. But it is what it is.

My girlfriend is a huge Indy fan so I'm surprising her with tickets this week on her birthday.
Should be a fun popcorn flick.

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Harrison Ford, in my opinion, has gotten worse in acting over the years when you should be getting better.
He was great in Star Wars, Raiders, Blade Runner and Last Crusade. Everything else I can think of is just mediocre.
I cant blame him entirely since directors and fellow actors can have an impact on movies as well.

Tom Hanks is what Harrison Ford could've been, granted Hanks is younger however, their career arc is similar. Ford was big in the 80's then had even greater success in the 90's with hit after hit, he was the #1 actor for that decade.
The 2000's to present though, he's gotten into a bunch of disappointments, reprised his most famous characters on a few movies, and a few interesting projects like Cowboys & Aliens, and The Age of Adeline. Hanks meanwhile continues to churn out solid, everyman rolls, many of which have historical background, while also having great success as a voice actor with Woody from Toy Story; Ford lately has dipped into odd rolls like Morning Glory, Ender's Game and Paranoia.

I agree with you. His movies were hits and made money but his acting didnt progress. IMHO he acts the same no matter what character he was playing. He lacks the charisma of Han Solo, Decker and Indiana in other movies he starred in.
To be fair I havent seen IJ5.

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Originally posted by SigLaw:
I saw it, no regrets. I was entertained and that is all I expect from a movie.

Same here.

On par with the rest of the series, IMO. Maybe third after Raiders and Last Crusade, but in the mix.

I read the review on townhall.com a few days ago, and based on that decided to go. We thought it was actually quite good, and agree with your ranking of them. I’d like to know what parts were woke, because I really didn’t see anything in it that was. I think you’d really have to be looking in order to find it. For those that don’t want to see it in the theater, it’s well worth a rental.

My friend says it wasn't super woke, but they basically gave Indy the "Luke Skywalker" treatment. Our lovable hero is now a broken, disgruntled old man, until the young idealistic girl comes along to convince him he needs to suit for one last adventure. He does, but basically she is the new star of the show and he is there but not the focus.

Ill admit I haven't seen it, so I should probably shut up, but him and I usually agree on movies. He was underwhelmed and told me to wait for it to come to streaming.

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Originally posted by BMR:

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Originally posted by joel9507:

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Originally posted by SigLaw:
I saw it, no regrets. I was entertained and that is all I expect from a movie.

Same here.

On par with the rest of the series, IMO. Maybe third after Raiders and Last Crusade, but in the mix.

I read the review on townhall.com a few days ago, and based on that decided to go. We thought it was actually quite good, and agree with your ranking of them. I’d like to know what parts were woke, because I really didn’t see anything in it that was. I think you’d really have to be looking in order to find it. For those that don’t want to see it in the theater, it’s well worth a rental.

My friend says it wasn't super woke, but they basically gave Indy the "Luke Skywalker" treatment. Our lovable hero is now a broken, disgruntled old man, until the young idealistic girl comes along to convince him he needs to suit for one last adventure. He does, but basically she is the new star of the show and he is there but not the focus.

Ill admit I haven't seen it, so I should probably shut up, but him and I usually agree on movies. He was underwhelmed and told me to wait for it to come to streaming.

Indy being a disgruntled old man is basically correct (although there are reasons for that), but the young idealistic girl convincing him to suit up isn’t right at all. She basically set the plot in motion by stealing something from Indy, and he followed her to get it back.

Have to say the de-aging technology for Harrison Ford in the 1944 scenes was by far the best I’ve ever seen. Much better than the smooth faces for Tarkin and Lea in Rogue One, or Luke in the Mandalorian. It was almost flawless. But they still used his 80 year old voice.

I liked Dial of Destiny. It's a decently fun time. Perhaps its biggest crime is that it didn't aspire to epic greatness. It's an unneeded story that has more of the tone of "Oh, by the way, one last thing..." It also has an Act II that is paced a little wonky.

But, I thought there was still a strong sense of fun in relation to the previous entries. People complain about Harrison Ford's age, but I appreciated he was willing to don the hat and jacket and run around one last time instead of sitting home on the couch or crashing his plane or whatever. And I thought Act III in Syracuse was bonkers. That had me crackin' up.

Saw it last night. It was really good and a lot of fun. No wokeness.

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Have to say the de-aging technology for Harrison Ford in the 1944 scenes was by far the best I’ve ever seen. Much better than the smooth faces for Tarkin and Lea in Rogue One, or Luke in the Mandalorian. It was almost flawless. But they still used his 80 year old voice.

They didn't use de-aging tech as we've come to know it. Instead, they "scraped" the previous Indiana Jones movies to lift footage they repurposed into what you saw in this movie.

 https://variety.com/2023/film/...te-scene-1235594064/ 

To go a bit off-topic, Ford agreed to this procedure for this film. One of the things the actors are striking about is that the studios want to put boilerplate into every contract that the actor is relinquishing his/her rights to prevent the studios from using all footage from their movies (their images and voices) in future movies forever without having to pay the actors for the repeated use.

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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is “shaping up to be a disaster of epic proportions for parent company Disney and its veteran CEO, Bob Iger,” Fortune reported. Dial of Destiny “could potentially rival John Carter as the Mouse House’s worst-ever live-action commercial bomb,” continues the report...

...As of Tuesday, after 20 days in theaters, Dial of Destiny has only grossed $307 million worldwide. At this point, it will be lucky to reach $350 million. Do the math: cost $425 million minus $175 million in net box office receipts (theaters take about half), and you’re looking at a $250 million loss. That is a quarter of a billion dollar loss — not on a risky and obscure John Mars, a property no one under the age of 100 was familiar with. No, that is a quarter of a billion dollar loss on an Indiana Jones movie, one of the most beloved and iconic franchises in Hollywood history.

In 1981, more than 40 years ago and without adjusting for inflation, Raiders of the Lost Ark grossed $380 million worldwide. Adjusted for inflation, that’s $1.275 billion with a “B” in today’s dollars.

https://www.breitbart.com/ente...-proportions-disney/

I think the studios have overdone the young woman taking over a traditional male role. Hence, many people just skipped it. They’ve seen this movie before.

And I also honestly think, people will still go the theaters, but it’s a quarterly type event. Avatar, Superho’s, Top Gun, something big. Other than that, people are just chalking it. “I can wait until streaming.” The cineplex chains, by large, have not addressed the little bitches who can’t leave the phone alone during a film. Why spend $20, which should be $10-12, when they can buy the got damn thing on disc in 90 days for the same amount? Or, they can stream it when they do the $20 rental type thing very early on (before it hits a subscribed streaming service for free), $20 for the whole family on a nice quality big screen/panel, at home, without the food/snacks gouging?

This is like when Napster did its thing, and started taking down record stores. It’s the same thing to me. Many cineplexes will close in coming years. They’ll remain but eventually it’s going to become a niche type thing.

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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is “shaping up to be a disaster of epic proportions for parent company Disney and its veteran CEO, Bob Iger,” Fortune reported. Dial of Destiny “could potentially rival John Carter as the Mouse House’s worst-ever live-action commercial bomb,” continues the report...

...As of Tuesday, after 20 days in theaters, Dial of Destiny has only grossed $307 million worldwide. At this point, it will be lucky to reach $350 million. Do the math: cost $425 million minus $175 million in net box office receipts (theaters take about half), and you’re looking at a $250 million loss.

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Dial of Destiny “could potentially rival John Carter as the Mouse House’s worst-ever live-action commercial bomb,” continues the report, “and call into question the future of [Lucasfilm] boss Kathleen Kennedy, a former Fortune Most Powerful Woman.”

Good.

Everything this woman touches turns to shit.

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Originally posted by oddball:

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is “shaping up to be a disaster of epic proportions for parent company Disney and its veteran CEO, Bob Iger,” Fortune reported. Dial of Destiny “could potentially rival John Carter as the Mouse House’s worst-ever live-action commercial bomb,” continues the report...

...As of Tuesday, after 20 days in theaters, Dial of Destiny has only grossed $307 million worldwide. At this point, it will be lucky to reach $350 million. Do the math: cost $425 million minus $175 million in net box office receipts (theaters take about half), and you’re looking at a $250 million loss.

I like this part:


Dial of Destiny “could potentially rival John Carter as the Mouse House’s worst-ever live-action commercial bomb,” continues the report, “and call into question the future of [Lucasfilm] boss Kathleen Kennedy, a former Fortune Most Powerful Woman.”

Good.

Everything this woman touches turns to shit.

Scuttlebutt is this is Kennedy's last act, her contract is up in 2024. She's got enough L's the last five years to give any board reason to push her out.