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| Rail-less and Tail-less |
I really enjoyed it. The Henry and Tommy scenes got me a bit choked up. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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| Unapologetic Old School Curmudgeon  |
why is it that whenever someone doesn't like some new raved about movie, they are berated and told something like this? The guy didn't like it, doesn't mean he is somehow not as sophisticated and only likes kids movies. I haven't seen it yet so i can't comment on the movie, but he thought it was long and boring. Winning awards doesn't guarantee a great movie. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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Opposite is true as well...I think I was in the minority of really enjoying Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri... Is what it is. This movie is definitely on my "must-see", and I'm hoping to get to it this weekend! ---------- The first 100 people to make it out alive...get to live. | |||
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Probably because people berate everything now and he is probably tired of it. “That sucks” ad nauseam about every damn thing out there. The serious films get complaints, especially the dramas or anything with a slow pace. Some/many want them to stay around and not turn everything made into popcorn films. Just a guess. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
I haven't read the thread but did see the comment regarding concerns over the injection of leftist PC revisionist propaganda. I think this is a legitimate concern and it's the reason I approach with great skepticism any modern war films coming out of Hollywood. The late Roger Ebert once noted that the American Western film began to decline as a genre once Indians err Native Americans ceased to be portrayed as mere savages. (Overuse of the genre in the early days of television was also a prime factor) Witness the work of the greatest American film director who ever drew breath- John Ford. Take, for example, two of Ford's films from 1939- Drums Along the Mohawk and Stagecoach. In Stagecoach, the Indians err Native Americans are not even portrayed as actual people. They're merely necessary props in the running fight with the stagecoach. Then, take a look at The Searchers from 1956- they're still mere savages, but now we get some snappy dialogue from Chief Scar. And then, something happens to Ford in his later career. A lifelong Democrat, Ford was influence by the civil rights movement and Kennedy's New Frontier and in 1964, he gives us Cheyenne Autumn, a film deeply sympathetic to Indians err Native Americans. You may not have noticed, but this shift in attitude rubbed off on even the likes of John Wayne, in his later films. For decades, the most American of film genres has suffered from a deficit of films, so I welcome any new non-PC Western films, but I'll watch Rio Bravo for the 200th time rather than be fed revisionist propaganda, no matter how they package it. | |||
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Cynic |
If that was for me I never watched cartoons. Did you cry in the movie. You're right IT was a film. One that sucked. My money my opinion. _______________________________________________________ And no, junior not being able to hold still for 5 seconds is not a disability. | |||
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| Rail-less and Tail-less |
The opening scene in the movie will dispel any PC concerns. It’s dealt with evenly and honestly in my book. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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| 10mm is The Boom of Doom  |
I am part indian (Muscogee Creek and Choctaw), but the overly sentimentalized and romanticized portrayal of indians is bull shit. If you go back in time far enough, everyone was a stone-age culture. Ain't no big thing. Personally, I prefer indoor plumbing, central heat and air conditioning, reliable food supplies, modern medicine, etc. I enjoy having a life expectancy beyond 28 and not having my wife die in child birth. Were indians killed in the wars? Yes. At the time they were enemies of the United States. Did shitty things happen? Yes. Thus always is war. I don't go around crying about the English burning down churches filled with colonists during the Revolutionary War. God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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| Cynic |
I had a Creek friend 4/4 Creek and was one of the nicest humans I've ever known. I miss my good friend. _______________________________________________________ And no, junior not being able to hold still for 5 seconds is not a disability. | |||
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| Back, and to the left  |
The wife and I saw this Sunday based on Prefontaine's review. I have to agree, this is probably much better enjoyed in the theater. The acting was fantastic. I am especially impressed with Rosamund Pike. Several parts were hard to watch without damp eyes. A very moving film that had no discernible political pretense other than that which is inherently, inseparably innate to the subject matter. Very well done. Like Prefontaine, I don't buy many movies, but I believe I will be owning this one as well. I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. -Ecclesiastes 9:11 ...But the king shall rejoice in God; every one that sweareth by Him shall glory, but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped. - Psalm 63:11 [excerpted] | |||
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Happily Retired |
We saw it this afternoon and I must say I loved every minute of this movie. I saw no PC correctness and felt that both sides (white man and the Indian) were treated equally. They each had their dark sides but as they went on their journey to Montana, they seemed to find common ground and respect for each other. It even had an ending that my wife approved of.  .....never marry a woman who is mean to your waitress. | |||
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| california tumbles into the sea |
Took me awhile to recognize Rory Cochrane from Dazed and Confused. And Scott Wilson - who played the landowner at the end. I found it next to impossible to believe that she got away in the beginning.  The best part, which wasn't enough to save it from a wait for the dvd, was the performances of Wes Studi and Adam Beach (Chief and his son) - otherwise it's be a 5/10 (gave it a 6/10). I don't know if it was the script (Rosamund Pike could have shined), or the editing, but most likely both, which did it in for me. Dispite the script, Christian Bale was good. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Can we take it easy with the spoilers, please? | |||
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There is a world elsewhere |
I don't see it as PC or trying to be revisionist. Captain Blocker goes into his motivations as to his hatred of natives, why he feels no remorse in doing his duty. He talks about the men he lost, how they were killed savagely, etc. In fact, the moments 'PC' tries to stick it's nose into the film via a couple of characters, they get slapped down. In fact, it was the juxtaposition of an officer's wife talking about the plight of the natives in front of a woman who'd just buried her family a day or two that pretty much makes the patronizing 'native plight' ring hollow that it almost hurts to watch. And it isn't trying to say native americans aren't "savages", because 30 seconds into the film you see a man scalped and a family butchered by Comanche (you know, the best friends of John Wayne in the Searchers. In fact, I couldn't help but think of the Searchers while watching this because of the Comanche tie in) The characters have their own story arcs which are prompted along by dramatic waypoints where they're forced into situations which cause them to rely on each other. They are compelled to begin the journey together out of necessity, but find things about each other that they recognize in themselves. A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed. | |||
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| Rail-less and Tail-less |
^^^^ did you not read the comment above yours?  _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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| There is a world elsewhere |
Nothing I've written couldn't be sussed out from watching one of the trailers. A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed. | |||
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Saw "Hostiles" yesterday and enjoyed it. I am fascinated by the period guns and there were many closeups. This website catalogs guns used in films. The website also pointed out an anachronism; the Sharps rifle carried by Bale and his troops had been replaced by 1892 on the western frontier, especially after Little Big Horn. | |||
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Caribou gorn |
Saw it last night. I liked it but I thought it was good, not necessarily great. There is a bit of white guilt there, but it doesn't go all in on it, and there is definitely blame set on natives, as well. And there were three powerful scenes in particular that showed that the brutality of the American west didn't mind stepping across a racial line. I thought all of the acting was well done, and the scenery was certainly beautiful. And rugged and brutal in it's own way. I'm gonna vote for the funniest frog with the loudest croak on the highest log. | |||
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Good movie, very well done. Saw it last night, was impressed with many things, including the scenery. | |||
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| I will fear no evil.. Psalm 23:4 |
Just saw it today, I thought it was good. The beginning will stick with you. I consider this more of an outdoor movie than a “Western” though. | |||
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