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IMHO, the only objectively bad things they’ve done is not have heron marks on Tam’s sword’s hilt



The heron mark was there. Just one quick flash but it was there.

I saw the one at the base of the blade. Was there one on the hilt, too? If so, I missed it. The one on the hilt is pretty important to some plot points later on (unless they’re going to change some other stuff). The one on the base of the blade is, I suppose, a nice touch, but it doesn’t really matter to anything (IIRC).




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The one on the base of the blade was part of the hilt, not the blade IIRC. Regardless, close enough compared to some of the other changes.


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The one on the base of the blade was part of the hilt, not the blade IIRC. Regardless, close enough compared to some of the other changes.

Disagree, because spoilers. Well, unless they change something else to compensate.




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It is not a middle-ages village. It is total fantasy - there are horn-headed demons and magic, for pete's sake. There is no reason that the people in a fantasy world can't be any race, color, or whatever. If their skin color or eye shape isn't important to the story for some internal reason, it just doesn't matter. It isn't a matter of "sensible." This isn't an English or German village from 1300. It is total fantasy.


Of course not. They could just as easily make Gandalf a female midget and it would be just fine. Robert Jordan spent zero time describing their looks and culture. Nothing about Faile’s features is ever mentioned. Hawkwing could be a street thug from Compton. No problem.

What a jackass thing to interject.

There’s literally THOUSANDS of words written describing the features of characters, and millions of people ingested most or all of it, envisioning what the characters looked like. So it seems foolish and haughty to come into a thread like this and say something like “It’s fantasy, you rubes, Aslan is fine as a giraffe.” or “Who cares if Frodo is a 300lb chick, it’s fantasy. God.”

There is zero reason for the show runners to change these things. Zero. If you want to say, “I did or did not read the books and I don’t care.” Fine.

It all matters to the people that read the books, and it’s dumb as shit for anyone on this planet to expect these things to succeed without the people that read the books: IE the fans.

Shit man.

EDIT - I see your later response. Thank you.

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The Bore isn’t the same thing as the Breaking. I don’t recall the complete list of who made the Bore, but the Breaking was caused by men who could channel going insane and, well, breaking the world with the one power.


Correct. The taint caused the insanity, but that isn't how the show framed it. "Men in their arrogance..." NO, men literally lost their minds. The entire prologue with Lews was heartbreaking because he was IN-SANE and he obliterated his family, and then in his agony, grief, and death created Dragonmount.

That little story alone would have been a fantastic 15m opening that could have given the audience what they needed to jump into the story.

But no, they had to turn it into commentary about how evil men are, and if you don't believe me look at how horrible ALL of the men are. I mean goddamn wtf would they write ANY of the shit they wrote about the men that's not consistent with the actual literature.




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The Bore isn’t the same thing as the Breaking. I don’t recall the complete list of who made the Bore, but the Breaking was caused by men who could channel going insane and, well, breaking the world with the one power.


Correct. The taint caused the insanity, but that isn't how the show framed it. "Men in their arrogance..." NO, men literally lost their minds. The entire prologue with Lews was heartbreaking because he was IN-SANE and he obliterated his family, and then in his agony, grief, and death created Dragonmount.

That little story alone would have been a fantastic 15m opening that could have given the audience what they needed to jump into the story.

But no, they had to turn it into commentary about how evil men are, and if you don't believe me look at how horrible ALL of the men are. I mean goddamn wtf would they write ANY of the shit they wrote about the men that's not consistent with the actual literature.

LTT specifically was arguably arrogant in that he thought they could fix the bore without saidar. In fact, I think I remember someone (saying who is spoilers, IIRC) saying precisely that later in the series.

One dude certainly isn’t the same as “all men who can channel”, but seeing as how LTT and his hundred companions were all men, and how they’re making it seem like maybe the Aes Sedai are a bit more confused WRT what they “know” about the Age of Legends as compared to the books, I’ll forgive them the oversight (even though I don’t particularly care for that line either).




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I didn't read the last 2 books. I need to rectify that.

I read the rest and enjoyed them alot. To the point that it is my favorite fantasy series ever. GOT was good but it didn't hold me like the wheel of time did.

The problem with watching movies based on books is that the movie rarely compares with your imagination. I can forgive some artistic changes. When I watched the first episode, I was like "I don't remember perrin being married lol" turns out my memory is good lol
 
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Oh shit Ronin. The last two books are undeniably the best two books in the series. Like you won’t want to put them down good. Not speaking ill of Jordan because he created the whole thing and left a gift wrapped tale with the best bits for his successor but Sanderson is a great writer on his own. With all due respect I prefer his style as well. (It kind of hurt to say that)
 
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4 episodes in and they have ruined it for me. This thing is a turd.
 
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I tried, but after 4 episodes I just couldn't get into it. I was hooked on GOT after the first episode.
 
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Oh shit Ronin. The last two books are undeniably the best two books in the series.

1 and 6 were pretty damn good though. I thought the payoff of 6 was great.




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Oh shit Ronin. The last two books are undeniably the best two books in the series.

1 and 6 were pretty damn good though. I thought the payoff of 6 was great.


The ending of the whole story and wrapping all that writing up in the last book is definitely worth reading and "getting around to"


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I started my 5th readthrough of the books when I heard this was actually going to happen. I watched the first episode, and have no desire at all to watch the rest. I've struggled to find the desire to even watch the second episode, although I will have to watch to be fair. I don't find it to be faithful to the world or characters Robert Jordan created.

Beyond that though, I just didn't find it entertaining as a stand alone. I don't think I would have enjoyed it even if I hadn't read the books. It just feels generic.




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"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford, "it is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them. They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards."
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, then the wrong lizard might get in."
 
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20 minutes in on ep.1, fell asleep. Does it get better before I continue?
 
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Oh shit Ronin. The last two books are undeniably the best two books in the series. Like you won’t want to put them down good. Not speaking ill of Jordan because he created the whole thing and left a gift wrapped tale with the best bits for his successor but Sanderson is a great writer on his own. With all due respect I prefer his style as well. (It kind of hurt to say that)


I could barely get through the last two books, and Sanderson is one of my favorite scifi/fantasy authors.

I think that even years later I just had too much series fatigue to really enjoy them.

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but while I think that Robert Jordan was undeniably a master of worldbuilding and creating intricate, interesting plot lines, I don't think his actual writing is very good.

Excluding the prequel, the series is 14 books averaging over 800 pages each. It totals about 4,300,000 words.

An "average" novel is around 100,000 words. The Wheel of Time series is as long as 40+ "normal" novels!

I genuinely think the series could have been cut by at least 3/4 (if not more) and been significantly better without losing anything important.
 
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My wife watched the first three episodes and filled me in. Not going to waste my time when I can simply re-read the books and get a much better experience and storyline.
 
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I haven't read the books.


I haven't been captured by the film.

I made it 20 minutes before I found myself with cell phone in hand playing solitaire and shopping gun sites....




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