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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
everyone can try and spin it however they want....

if this is true, they have made James Bond a black female.

Exactly.

Her name may not be Bond, but there is no question in the motives of Hollywood; they are making James Bond into a black female, regardless of name.

Just like the superhero movies, I have no patience for this shit. I have no patience for sheer stupidity.

What I find rather odd, was Idris Elba. He had to at least be interviewing for 007. I would be OK with that as I like him as an actor. He plays many strong action leads and would be a better match for the part compared to some of the weaklings that had been mentioned. He is also British so no fake accent needed. Nah, we gotta go SJW on it instead. Just vote with the wallet as usual.

Wait one. Did read that right...

**Puts on high school hat**

Sounds like bond bangs bond in the end...that’s go to be some
Sorta Freud thing there.

**Leaves high school hat on**

It sounds like this will be like that crappy Ghostbusters reboot that no one saw.... it will fail people will complain and fail to realize that without a compelling storyline... the rest is just fluff where you shoehorn identity politics into culture.... boring.

As a massive Bond fan, I believe this is the beginning of the end. I am all for any nationality/ race/ ethnicity of the position, but this is a rewrite of the historical rhetoric of "we look for young, orphaned or malfeased young men to be 00 agents". Then you bring in a female for that exact role, your are indeed pandering. There are a number of movies where the protagonist has been female. Some good, some, well not so much so. If you wanted to branch off from the current series, putting Moneypenny back into the field would have been a more intelligent option, and showing her getting a kill in this movie could have been the first step. Naomi Harris is a known quantity who is wildly loved by the Bond crowd, so the choice seems shortsighted.

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Naomi Harris

Few women in movies make me go "Hmmmm", she's one of them.

They can change who/what bond is, and i have the right to not watch. Sad.

Craig did well, but most of the scripts he had very extremely good. Casino Royal even with a the few changes to make it a bit more modern stayed quite true to the book. Inclusion of the torture scene in the movie made me go wow.

Connery was good as were the scripts. Not quite as dark as the Craig ones, but good.

Lazenby - I'm mixed on him. The script was great - stayed quite close to the book. Lazenby did most of his stunts. And Diana Rigg is still amongst my favorite Bond gals.

Dalton - the 2nd movie was excellent, Robert Davi played the best evil villain in years of the series.

We'll see what the market decides.

This isn't the beginning of the end. That was a while ago, delayed by some good performances. This is the end of the end.

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
First, they didn’t make James Bond a black female. They made 007 a black female.

I actually like the idea that someday James Bond will retire and his 00 designation will go to someone else. It also fits with the 00 concept in past movies when some of them have died it is reasonable to believe another agent takes their place.

If I remember correctly the 00 designation is given to agents given a license to kill. It’s possible that in some instances the designation would only last for a mission where the license to Kill was needed. The person assigned 004 this week could finish their mission, lose the designation, and then a new operative with a mission essential need for a license to Kill could be 004 the next week.

Second, maybe let’s actually see the movie before we declare this the death knell of the James Bomd franchise. For all you know, Bond retires in the first 5 minutes of the film, this girl becomes the new 007, is killed in minute 15, and Bond has to come back and reassume the 007 title to save the world. I hate the bullshit PC culture as much as anyone, but Christ let’s actually let them kill the franchise before we plan the funeral.

Personally, I can’t say how strongly I think this is nonsense. The books and films have never been about 007, they’ve been about James Bond, who happened to have that codename. Nobody watched the films to see a 00 agent, they watched them to see James Bond. Get rid of Bond and you’ve rung the death knell for the series. Maybe it’ll even be a decent flick, but if it ends with “007 will return...” instead of “James Bond will return...” you can call it a done deal for most fans. The fucking libs are already crowing about how this is about “teaching an old dog new tricks in the #metoo era” and that’s not ever been the core audience of these films. Even the pharaohs planned their funerals ahead of time.

The left ruins everything they touch. They can fuck up a steel ball with a rubber mallet.

I’m not sure how what you said and I said are in conflict

I 100% agree these movies are about James Bond. My point is the movie can still be about him even if he is no longer 007.

They can make a movie about female agent X who is now 007 and I don’t think nearly as many people will watch because the character of James Bomd is what made 007 interesting...not the other way around.

I am personally glad they didn’t make 007 Jamie Bond. Rather than make James Bomd a different race, gender, etc, as was speculated they might do, they gave his code name to someone else because he...retired I assume. I am much happier with this particular outcome than what seemed to be the alternative.

I guess that’s where I just disagree with some people...James Bond isn’t immortal. He will get old and retire and someone else would take up the mantle of 007. I think that did actually happen in some of the books written by Gardner (?) after he took up the mantle of the writing the character after Fleming died.

So, let me reiterate. I am relieved they aren’t making James Bond someone he isn’t. James Bond is a white British male. His job was to be 007. I am not stupid. I know the character and the code name have become synonymous. But it isn’t unreasonable to think James Bond will grow old and some day stop being 007.

Do I think casting a black woman as the person who takes up the mantle of 007 is SJW pandering? Sure. But that doesn’t mean it will instantly suck.

I also think that, in a world where James Bond retires, it’s fairly narrow minded to think only another what, white male? Could take his place.

Let me ask this question. If, as is likely the case, Bond steps down from being 007, who is acceptable to replace him?

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
First, they didn’t make James Bond a black female. They made 007 a black female.

I actually like the idea that someday James Bond will retire and his 00 designation will go to someone else. It also fits with the 00 concept in past movies when some of them have died it is reasonable to believe another agent takes their place.

If I remember correctly the 00 designation is given to agents given a license to kill. It’s possible that in some instances the designation would only last for a mission where the license to Kill was needed. The person assigned 004 this week could finish their mission, lose the designation, and then a new operative with a mission essential need for a license to Kill could be 004 the next week.

Second, maybe let’s actually see the movie before we declare this the death knell of the James Bomd franchise. For all you know, Bond retires in the first 5 minutes of the film, this girl becomes the new 007, is killed in minute 15, and Bond has to come back and reassume the 007 title to save the world. I hate the bullshit PC culture as much as anyone, but Christ let’s actually let them kill the franchise before we plan the funeral.

Personally, I can’t say how strongly I think this is nonsense. The books and films have never been about 007, they’ve been about James Bond, who happened to have that codename. Nobody watched the films to see a 00 agent, they watched them to see James Bond. Get rid of Bond and you’ve rung the death knell for the series. Maybe it’ll even be a decent flick, but if it ends with “007 will return...” instead of “James Bond will return...” you can call it a done deal for most fans. The fucking libs are already crowing about how this is about “teaching an old dog new tricks in the #metoo era” and that’s not ever been the core audience of these films. Even the pharaohs planned their funerals ahead of time.

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Originally posted by 280nosler:
As a massive Bond fan, I believe this is the beginning of the end. I am all for any nationality/ race/ ethnicity of the position, but this is a rewrite of the historical rhetoric of "we look for young, orphaned or malfeased young men to be 00 agents". Then you bring in a female for that exact role, your are indeed pandering. There are a number of movies where the protagonist has been female. Some good, some, well not so much so. If you wanted to branch off from the current series, putting Moneypenny back into the field would have been a more intelligent option, and showing her getting a kill in this movie could have been the first step. Naomi Harris is a known quantity who is wildly loved by the Bond crowd, so the choice seems shortsighted.

The bigger picture is the millennial. All these companies run their metrics, demographics, etc. I’m seeing it with vehicles, home theater, so many different things in society. These companies are transitioning to this demographic now, considering them to be the “bulk” of money spenders. But what they haven’t figured out is millennials (not all, but many) are cheap, and they want everything for free. So while the Bond franchise is trying to get into this SJW market, they are too stupid to understand they will kill their business. By all means look at the utter chaos that happened after the last major Star Wars trilogy film. The fans were pissed, many of those swore it off, Disney, or both.

Look at vehicles and all the “tech” bullshit being marketed. Fancy screen and gadgets but the vehicle is numb, an appliance. This is just one example. To me it’s a big cultural shift and they think this is the ticket to continuing the revenue but it really isn’t. Companies need to start standing up the Twitter storm, the SJW agenda, and just stick to making solid films. If you want a lesbian or transgender lead in an action film then write a new story and see how it does for you. Don’t contaminate existing, generational product that has worked for half a century. Idiots pandering, and it will go boom.

so,

where should they (Broccoli and the Studio) go?

the Craig Bond is a rehash/redo/alternative of the Connery Bond,
the Craig movies follow, loosely, the first handful of movies, with a lot of changes or 'alternative' scenes etc, (I personally like them, even Skyfall, )

Craig has said he was done after this, and that follows the lead of the past Bonds (less Lazenby, and to some extent Dalton) that were replaced as they (the actor) got older,

so, my question is, do they reboot the series again?
or continue on, with another actor and continue the series?

or have Bond retire, and introduce a new 007? (as mentioned by Kevbo and others)

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Originally posted by lyman:
so,

where should they (Broccoli and the Studio) go?

the Craig Bond is a rehash/redo/alternative of the Connery Bond,
the Craig movies follow, loosely, the first handful of movies, with a lot of changes or 'alternative' scenes etc, (I personally like them, even Skyfall, )

Craig has said he was done after this, and that follows the lead of the past Bonds (less Lazenby, and to some extent Dalton) that were replaced as they (the actor) got older,

so, my question is, do they reboot the series again?
or continue on, with another actor and continue the series?

or have Bond retire, and introduce a new 007? (as mentioned by Kevbo and others)

They had an opportunity to create the spin-off of Halle Berry's character Jinx from Die Another Day, Broccoli & team had it all mapped-out. Not sure if it was the farcical creation of a 'NSA agent' or, the hilarity of the overall movie (DAD) plot, MGM decided to not go down that road and focus on the series re-boot with Craig and Casino Royale.

Now it worked out that Craig's Bond movies were a hit however, the Jinx character was ripe fruit left to rot on the vine; it was the opportunity to introduce a female, non-white, Bond-type without coming across as a SJW-PC-woke impulse.

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Originally posted by lyman:

so, my question is, do they reboot the series again?
or continue on, with another actor and continue the series?

Yes, either one.

Is this obvious only to me?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by lyman:

so, my question is, do they reboot the series again?
or continue on, with another actor and continue the series?

Yes, either one.

Is this obvious only to me?

no ,

that is why I asked,


I would have liked to have seen Hardy, Elba, or the other guy whose name I cannot remember take over, as long as the story is good and faithful to the series,

however the series changed with each actor change, good and bad

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Originally posted by lyman:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by lyman:

so, my question is, do they reboot the series again?
or continue on, with another actor and continue the series?

Yes, either one.

Is this obvious only to me?

no ,

that is why I asked,


I would have liked to have seen Hardy, Elba, or the other guy whose name I cannot remember take over, as long as the story is good and faithful to the series,

however the series changed with each actor change, good and bad

Exactly. Part of the excitement (for lack of a better word at the moment) of the franchise is when they retire a Bond and we all get to anticipate who's the next Bond. Then we all or individually either hate it or love it.

This new direction is just so lacking in self-awareness it seems. It's like children are running the world now.

Well...it was fun while it lasted.

I guess they learned NOTHING from the Dr. Who SJW fiasco

The first few Bonds were fun to watch but the last ones and the movies were just boring to me and now their will start getting PC. Goodby!