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This is my understanding. Straight lands going down the barrel. Short range toy at best. Train how you intend to Fight Remember - Training is not sparring. Sparring is not fighting. Fighting is not combat. | |||
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Not speculation anymore. It's official. Straight lands and groves with no spin. 3-4 inch group at 50 yards. | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Yep. Recoil was the first to get the scoop. http://www.recoilweb.com/frank...revealed-133042.html
Franklin Armory is also apparently working on a proprietary projectile design that will allow greater accuracy with these non-rifled barrels:  | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
That's a whole lotta "meh". | |||
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| Freethinker |
No spin stabilizing, eh? Absolutely ridiculous. Franklin Armory has indeed attracted my attention, but I’ll be polite and leave it at that. On the other hand, it will be interesting to see how the fin-stabilized bullet concept works out. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Way better off just getting a pistol brace or just an SBR. | |||
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This. I see this thing as nothing more than a range toy. I don't really have a use for it. But to their marketing team: Well done. You certainly earned your dollar. Train how you intend to Fight Remember - Training is not sparring. Sparring is not fighting. Fighting is not combat. | |||
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Green Mountain Boy |
Well then, that's the end of that. No one is going to want that. Stupid. Even for those that can't get SBRs but insist on a small package better off with a bullpup. !~God Bless the U.S. Military~! If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off Light travels faster than sound, this is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Yup, X95 or AUG is far superior. | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
Agreed. This is interesting as yet another creative bypass of the NFA, but little else. Unlike some of the other workarounds, such as pistol braces, it has no real practical usefulness. Like bump stocks, it's a gimmick for those that want to spend money on a toy to thumb their noses at the ATF. But as stated earlier: Kudos to their PR team. I suspect their booth at SHOT was mobbed this morning. | |||
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E tan e epi tas |
So it’s an assault musket? "Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man." | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
Holy crap... Retail price is $2095.  But don't worry... You ain't gotta spend the $200 on a tax stamp!  Hell, you could build two good SBRs or braced pistols for that. I guess they've got to make back all that money spent on marketing and musket research. They probably recognize that few folks will actually be interested in buying one of these, so they have to make maximum profit off each unit sold. Or perhaps they're planning to use the massive profits from each rifle to try to fund the R&D and production setup for their fin-stabilized ammo. Sort of a "chicken and egg" effect... Gotta sell lots of the new guns to fund the new ammo, but gotta create the new ammo to make the new guns work well. I suspect PSA will start cranking out straight land 11.5" barrels for $85 and complete straight land barreled uppers for $199 next week.  | |||
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I run trains! |
Pair that up with some reman Freedom Munitions fin stabilized ammo and you've got yourself a winner. Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. Complacency sucks… | |||
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| To Do What is Right and Just |
Read the article on recoil this morning since I was searching for the answer again. Straight rifling, no thanks. Add in the price tag and definitely no. Thats enough money for a bcm or DD factory sbr, plus stamp, plus geissele ssa and probably some left over. Same thing with a brace or buy a bullpup. | |||
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I'll take a different approach than most of you. I'm glad to see this weapon, might buy future iterations, and welcome further innovation. Also, the "3-4 MOA" was with 5.56 not 300 BLK; a larger bullet might achieve better accuracy. The NFA restriction on SBRs is ridiculous and I welcome legally sanctioned exploitation of loopholes to counter this stupid unjust law. I liked the braced pistol approach, and braces have only improved in looks and function since the introduction of the first one a few years ago. Who knows what this will develop into 3 years from now? If they start selling short barreled 300 blackout uppers I can drop onto any lower (for < $1.5k) I might be interested enough to buy. | |||
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Mark1Mod0Squid |
I wonder how much these will have an effect on the draconian states like CA, MA, NJ, MD, or NY? How many of their laws are written to cover "rifles" and "pistols" but not "firearms"? This may be a wolf in sheeps clothing for them. Even if it's sparkle wear for the rest of us. _____________________________________________ Never use more than three words to say "I don't know" | |||
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| Sigless in Indiana  |
Wow...... Just.... wow.... | |||
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So they're going retro-18th Century with a twist? ...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Well, without a twist, actually. | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
NFA needs to go away. It was bad legislation when it was passed, the primary chance to review it at SCOTUS was bungled, and we've been saddled with some really bad, stupid laws ever since. How about more stuff like this and more clarification letters being requested until we're left with an incredibly narrow definition of what's "legal" to own, instead of focusing our efforts as a community on putting some leverage on our legislators who do little for us, but everything for themselves? Sounds great to me. That, instead of silly gotcha games between us the and government with them doing all but saying "yeah, we really don't want you armed in any meaningful way" and us all but saying "that's great, we don't give a shit." ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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