Just got this in. 1965 Walther KK. Imported and marked by the seller as a KKJ [Hunter]. Pretty sure it's a KK-UIT [International Shooting Union], it has an UIT rail on the stock bottom. Very clean, with a nice bore [Haven't cleaned it yet].
I have a few questions. The front sight is unmarked and I want to replace the insert with a post. Any idea who made the sight? If I can't clean the front lens insert I'll have to replace that too, or is it really needed? The front sight base has a little side to side wiggle, do I just tighten the front sight screw? And the rear sight base is tight, but the sight itself has a little front to back wiggle, is that correct? I've never owned a match rifle, so this is all new to me.

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Very nice

Search for “globe front rifle sights” and you will get many results, for example:
https://ochocos.com/collections/globe-sights

I suspect that perhaps not all are the same size, but you will still find inserts that fit yours.

Take a diameter measurement edge to edge away from the "ears", it looks like you may have some overlap there.

I re measured & put the Lyman 17A insert from my Winchester 75 next to it for comparison. Front lens cleaned up nicely.

Fantastic! I have a KKJ where someone at some point in the history had put the globe sight on. It also came with an old Weaver 22 scope. I removed the scope while hunting for a proper rear peep. The “correct” rear match sight was twice what I paid for the rifle, so I went with a Air Force airguns rear peep that works like a champ.


The KK series in the 50s came with one of three triggers. Yours appears to be the KKJ hunting trigger. The Match trigger was straight, and the other option was a set trigger.

Nevertheless, it will be fun.

OK, 16mm instead of 15.
I would contact Earl's Repair Service
http://www.carlwalther.com/page2.htm

Champion's Choice
http://www.champchoice.com/sto...yitemlistBody&c=OPAI

And Freeland
https://freelandssports.com

to ask if they had loose inserts that size. I will check to see if my Baldwin inserts might fit.

Not that they may be any easier to find but the inserts for my Kimber 82 Government measure 15.82 to 15.90 mm.
Translates into .002 to .005 thousandths difference in diameter to the one you have.
May be able to find a set on Ebay.

"Just got this in. 1965 Walther KK. Imported and marked by the seller as a KKJ [Hunter]. Pretty sure it's a KK-UIT [International Shooting Union], it has an UIT rail on the stock bottom. Very clean, with a nice bore [Haven't cleaned it yet].
I have a few questions. The front sight is unmarked and I want to replace the insert with a post. Any idea who made the sight? If I can't clean the front lens insert I'll have to replace that too, or is it really needed? The front sight base has a little side to side wiggle, do I just tighten the front sight screw? And the rear sight base is tight, but the sight itself has a little front to back wiggle, is that correct? I've never owned a match rifle, so this is all new to me."

That's a Walther sight. I never used the lens with an aperture with my 52 or Anschutz.
I have a KKM-II. Its very much like yours. Has a full length under rail and a butt hook. I have paper of the original purchase over seas by an Air Force A/1C on 10 June 1961 stationed at or near Laon France

I'm not sure this is relevant. But the technology situation has made certain things possible. I have a friend who is 3d printing inserts for a different gun that seem to work well and I would guess you can find someone locally to make what you need.

That foresight is identical to that on my late-50's LG55 target air rifle.

There IS a post insert available.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
That foresight is identical to that on my late-50's LG55 target air rifle.

There IS a post insert available.

Tac, thanks for the info! Do you know who might stock the insert?

You might check with Neal Stepp at ISS in Texas, Ft Worth iirc.

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Originally posted by kz1000:

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
That foresight is identical to that on my late-50's LG55 target air rifle.

There IS a post insert available.

Tac, thanks for the info! Do you know who might stock the insert?

Over here in UK, for sure. In USA? Hmmmm. You might try air Rifle HQ, or Neal Johnson's used sight parts -http://www.nealjguns.com/ , I'm told they usually have a few.

Let us know how you get on, right?

After I wrote this I emole a UK-based Walther spares company Protek, with whom I'd had dealings over the years.

Nope, he said. So in the morning I'll take a look at my collection of inserts and find one that might be of use to you - the foresight on my old Walther is identical to yours, 'cept that I shoot with the same inserts as you have right there.

Don't go 'way.

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Okay - I've found TWO - a 2.2 and 2.6mm.

Which do you want?

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Okay - I've found TWO - a 2.2 and 2.6mm.

Which do you want?

Thank you Tac! Very generous. I think the 2.2 would work better for me. My email is in my profle.

Neat rifle.


What is the purpose of the lens in that front sight? I thought I knew a little something about aperture sights. Never knew that they had an option for adding a lens. What does it do?

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Originally posted by IndianaBoy:
Neat rifle.


What is the purpose of the lens in that front sight? I thought I knew a little something about aperture sights. Never knew that they had an option for adding a lens. What does it do?

I wish I knew. At least it's clean now. The lens has a brass collar/bushing around it.

Range report from yesterday. A mixed bag.
Shooting 50 yards benchrest:

Shot 25 rounds of each type of ammo.
45 degrees, slight wind to the left.

Federal White Box
Federal Auto Match
Sights at factory zero
Junk ammo, at least I hit the target.



Aguila Std Velocity Target
Sights at factory zero
Shooting low, better groups.



Norma Tac-22
Norma Tac-22 Match
Moved elevation up 12 clicks
Getting there. Better groups.




All in all, I think it's a good start with the circular front sight insert. The 8" targets filled the circle completely. I think I'll do better with a post front insert.

One thing I need to fix: The trigger is adjusted WAY too light for my liking, a hair trigger. I shot my CZ455 American afterwards, it felt extremely heavy in comparison. I can hit 1/2 pasters @ 50 yards with the CZ. Gonna adjust the Walther's trigger and try again.

I've just emole you - take a look.

1. Stop putting crap ammo in it and expecting good results - you are farting in the thunder.

2. Get some RWS Standard rifle or GECO standard and watch it shoot properly.

The insert is NOT a lens, it is the front end of a dioptre sight.

The eyeball end has a small hole/aperture - its size can vary or BE varied, through which you view the target which automatically centres in it due to the brilliant design of the human eyeball.

Remember that THIS type of sight is NOT meant for game shooting, but for target shooting at a mark of known dimensions, hence the use of different size elements.

You CAN use this backsight with a post - my Wehrmann sight fitted to my Swedish m/96 is like that - using the standard issue front sight as found on any Swedish Mauser. I get great results - 1" being usual at 100m for five shots.