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| quote: Originally posted by P-220: Well, they finally came to their senses. I do love the M4. Apparently I am not alone.
Dude my life is Glocks and DI M4s these days. I’ve had the whole piston phase, to include a 416. What reality I came to is unless you are running a LOT of suppressed, and live in a desert, the piston makes sense. If not... |
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| The M4 is the preferred choice of infantry and SF units in the IDF. They are prized and if you can get one, its almost a status symbol. They are still using beaten, old but maintained M-16s and every few years there are rumblings about switching over to different rifles and platforms. The Tavor was the first time the IDF actually went with a new rifle. I'd guess they are going to phase out the Tavors with M4's, but politics always plays a role, and it will be difficult to switch out an Israeli made product to an US one without some bonehead politician making noise - but in the end it will happen. The Tavors will go to reservists, and non-infantry over the next few years.
As to the "lefties", I shoot a rifle left handed (pistol right) and am left eye dominant. I never had a problem with any righty M16/M4 or AR15. the Tavor was a major PITA, and I learned that the hard way 1 hot brass casing & gas in the face. No 2nd shot. In the field, or at the armory you can easily pick up another M4 and use it w/o any modifications. Not so for the Tavor. |
| Posts: 1665 | Location: Miami Beach, Florida | Registered: December 26, 2012 |
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| quote: Originally posted by Dyingtime: In the end nothing beats a well made M4 for functionality and ergonomics.
This. Despite a long time love of the AUG, truth is bullpups suck in practical application. Hence why in nearly every military which issues bullpups their SF folks or anyone else with a choice opts for a rifle with a conventional layout. UK, Australia, Ireland, even Red China. The tavor is not a bad gun being, essentially, a bullpup layout AR-18. It’s well made and it’s primary shortcoming is simply the bullpup layout. I suspect some of the mixed messaging is to avoid hurting 3rd world export sales. |
| Posts: 528 | Location: Texas | Registered: March 25, 2013 |
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| quote: Originally posted by jljones: What reality I came to is unless you are running a LOT of suppressed, and live in a desert, the piston makes sense.
I only shoot suppressed now, with maybe the past 15k rounds through AR-15s with cans. I train in lands that are near-desert conditions, once the spring rains have passed. We have lots of yucca, and small cactus is common. I compete regularly in true desert conditions in New Mexico and Wyoming. Never experienced issues with my suppressed DI ARs. I don't use adjustable gas blocks. |
| Posts: 8072 | Location: Colorado | Registered: January 26, 2008 |
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| I thought I wanted a Tavor after my IDF guest bragged on them so much. Then I took one apart. I'll be keeping my SP1.
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| I ordered my x95 left handed, having no problems. |
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| quote: Originally posted by fritz:
Never experienced issues with my suppressed DI ARs. I don't use adjustable gas blocks.
Yeah, but you are you. It’s like saying Michael Jordan doesn’t care if the ball is a little deflated..... |
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bigger government = smaller citizen
| quote: Originally posted by KSGM: TFB reported that the switch is not actually true.
So does anyone have a legit source for this or the refutation thereof?
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken |
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