September 09, 2021, 07:34 PM
jljonesIsrael retiring it's Tavor in favor of the M4
quote:
Originally posted by P-220:
Well, they finally came to their senses. I do love the M4. Apparently I am not alone.
Dude my life is Glocks and DI M4s these days.
I’ve had the whole piston phase, to include a 416. What reality I came to is unless you are running a LOT of suppressed, and live in a desert, the piston makes sense. If not...
September 10, 2021, 08:28 AM
drtenb330The M4 is the preferred choice of infantry and SF units in the IDF. They are prized and if you can get one, its almost a status symbol. They are still using beaten, old but maintained M-16s and every few years there are rumblings about switching over to different rifles and platforms. The Tavor was the first time the IDF actually went with a new rifle.
I'd guess they are going to phase out the Tavors with M4's, but politics always plays a role, and it will be difficult to switch out an Israeli made product to an US one without some bonehead politician making noise - but in the end it will happen. The Tavors will go to reservists, and non-infantry over the next few years.
As to the "lefties", I shoot a rifle left handed (pistol right) and am left eye dominant. I never had a problem with any righty M16/M4 or AR15. the Tavor was a major PITA, and I learned that the hard way 1 hot brass casing & gas in the face. No 2nd shot. In the field, or at the armory you can easily pick up another M4 and use it w/o any modifications. Not so for the Tavor.
September 10, 2021, 08:35 PM
HCMquote:
Originally posted by Dyingtime:
In the end nothing beats a well made M4 for functionality and ergonomics.
This.
Despite a long time love of the AUG, truth is bullpups suck in practical application. Hence why in nearly every military which issues bullpups their SF folks or anyone else with a choice opts for a rifle with a conventional layout. UK, Australia, Ireland, even Red China.
The tavor is not a bad gun being, essentially, a bullpup layout AR-18. It’s well made and it’s primary shortcoming is simply the bullpup layout.
I suspect some of the mixed messaging is to avoid hurting 3rd world export sales.
September 10, 2021, 11:02 PM
Il CattivoInteresting. I wonder if the Galil ACE is outselling the Tavor internationally.
September 11, 2021, 06:58 AM
fritzquote:
Originally posted by jljones:
What reality I came to is unless you are running a LOT of suppressed, and live in a desert, the piston makes sense.
I only shoot suppressed now, with maybe the past 15k rounds through AR-15s with cans. I train in lands that are near-desert conditions, once the spring rains have passed. We have lots of yucca, and small cactus is common.
I compete regularly in true desert conditions in New Mexico and Wyoming.
Never experienced issues with my suppressed DI ARs. I don't use adjustable gas blocks.
September 11, 2021, 10:15 AM
Mars_AttacksI thought I wanted a Tavor after my IDF guest bragged on them so much.
Then I took one apart.
I'll be keeping my SP1.
September 11, 2021, 11:10 AM
KSGMTFB reported that the switch is not actually true.
September 16, 2021, 01:46 PM
sig2392I ordered my x95 left handed, having no problems.
September 16, 2021, 06:54 PM
jljonesquote:
Originally posted by fritz:
Never experienced issues with my suppressed DI ARs. I don't use adjustable gas blocks.
Yeah, but you are you. It’s like saying Michael Jordan doesn’t care if the ball is a little deflated.....
September 16, 2021, 08:47 PM
raulakarioGood now we can have more for us.
September 19, 2021, 02:48 PM
Veeperquote:
Originally posted by KSGM:
TFB reported that the switch is not actually true.
So does anyone have a legit source for this or the refutation thereof?