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Much depends on the course of fire. There are instances where one can outperform the other, and others where it doesn't seem to make much difference. | |||
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I've replaced most of the stock parts with upgraded stuff that works better for me. Only "Gucci" part is a Sionics NP3 BCG. Pretty much standardized everything else. Magpul K2XL grip. Centurion Arms two stage trigger. Radian safety selector. Radian charging handle. Geissele Maritime bolt catch. I was trying to run a Romeo5 on one but unless it's a big enough target I'm just flinging guesses at it so I went back with a LPVO. I'll take the ding for weight gain over being able to see what I'm shooting at these days. Not like I'm a run n gunner on on a timer so it works out. It's the only one with a light. | |||
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This. In the case of the weapons compared: say it was dark, and the PEQ-equipped weapon's user has night vision. I think the scores/times are going to change a bit. That would highlight both the laser unit and the optic riser. I always thought the term sounded dumb, but "enablers" do exactly that. If the owner of that weapon doesn't own night vision, then he'd be in gucci territory indeed. There's always going to be someone who can do more than you, with less, and we ought to use that to motivate us to maximize our potential with what we have, before "upgrading". But, this hobby is different for different people; someone who is interested in contemporary military firearms, but doesn't have the freedom to shoot but once a month is very likely going to feed the hobby in between range trips by assessing the potential value of all these trinkets the industry is constantly churning out. The rifle of mine, that I mentioned earlier, is almost more akin to the second rifle, in your matchup. FSGB, non-floated, GI trigger, no fancy furniture, etc. The foundation doesn't have to be fancy, IMO. The bolt-on stuff is what can give you an edge, in certain situations. That situation probably isn't a square range doing short-range drills under a timer (in most cases). A couple years ago, I made the effort to shoot only iron sights for an entire year. After I had been doing it for a few months, my times were just like everyone else's, in our close range course of fire; that was with ARs and Sig 55x rifles in their factory configurations. Adding silencers to the mix can, IMO, necessitate some "enhancements", in an effort to mitigate the negative effects. And there are little personal things too. I have a rubber but pad on the CAR stock, on the rifle I mentioned. It's not because the 5.56 recoil hurts me; it helps the stock grip, if it lands on a buckle on a piece of equipment; your body may not always be in the ideal position. To the negative Nancy passer-by, it may appear I put a pad on the stock, just because I thought it was cool. | |||
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My HD carbine has a Colt 14.5” socom barrel pinned AAC hider, RRA lower & upper, front sight, old school quad rail, surefire light and, an older model Aimpoint. Super simple and eats everything I have ever put through it. My favorite carbine is a little more Gucci, but not by much. _________________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last” - Winston Churchil | |||
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Even with my experience of 27+ years as a criminal attorney (defense and prosecution) I can't argue that my JP Enterprises JP-15 isn't a Gucci. ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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Depends. All 4 ARs have CMC triggers, 1 single stage and the others 2 stage. Liked them enough to buy multiples. All of them have lights attached and Magpul AFG's. That's it though. No DBAL. No night vision. No other things. I wouldn't say Gucci at all. I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not. | |||
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| Experienced Slacker |
PSA freedom carbine, or whatever they were calling their most vanilla model back then, with Holosun optic. I keep a mag of ball ammo handy for it. The end. | |||
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That's gucci you have an optic. I run exactly the minimum set of stuff that I think will get the job done for me. I know from actual experience that I can run an old school carry handled based irons, GI everything at at a certain level. Its not a horribly bad level, but if I add an optic, a trigger, a light a better charging handle, a suppressor etc. etc. I do a much better job in what I want the rifle to do. everything it needs to make me better and not an ounce more. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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| Sigless in Indiana  |
We have very similar preferences. A few minor differences but the overall premise is identical. | |||
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| Sigless in Indiana |
A standard AR with a $200 red dot is 90-95% as capable as a more high end AR for many shooting scenarios. The advantages become pronounced on the margins. I'm shooting a PRS gas gun match in February, if you showed up with a M4 and a red dot, you probably wouldn't hit a single target. If you showed up at a 3 gun match with that same M4 and a red dot, you could score very well if you know how to shoot the rifle. | |||
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I have to say, you fellas sure over analyze stuff. | |||
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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us  |
So I just built a Wilson Combat gun and got a little fancy with the silent capture spring. Now I am building an LBT lower, out with LaRue trigger, WC LPK but adding a Radian safety selector. The upper and lower are at Mod1 Firearms now getting a little subdued black multicam with a twist pattern on it. Kind of silly really but will be kind of neat to match my LBT pack. After this I’ll go back to plain Jane’s like all my other ARs if I do anymore. Only frill will be YHM flash hiders for my suppressor. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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| Sigless in Indiana |
 I thought that was the purpose of the thread! | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
I know. Totally on me. I never considered that carbines would actually be used used for carbine work for the sake of discussion. I failed to properly factor, however, to include definitions, and failed to account for the situations requiring the breaching problems that including a barrel mounted shotgun might accomplish making “Gucci” the obvious answer. Nor did I figure the difference that a Thursday may play over a Saturday, and I didn’t even consider what all may change if it were a leap year. I will tighten it up the next time I post a thread...... Up next, shotguns are superior to carbines because carbines can’t open doors or shoot bean bags. | |||
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Prepared for the Worst, Providing the Best |
This one is far from gucci, and it's served me pretty well. It's admittedly got a few upgrades, but they're all pretty basic and utilitarian.  | |||
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I have 2, they are set up the same, one has a pencil barrel and one is heavy otherwise the same. Both have USGI sling Small rail for light CMC trigger QD adapter for can One has a tritium front sight as it was my work gun for a decade.  "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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I had the pleasure of sitting next to John Paul during an extended dinner, in Logan NM just prior to the Team Safari match at JP's Blue Steel Ranch. The 224 Valkyrie was just hitting the market, so that was a big topic at the table. It was interesting to hear JP discuss the differences in opinion with Federal on how the cartridge development should go. If it were up to JP, bullet weights would have been lighter. Dinner discussions included the rapid growth in 9mm PCCs, the resurgence of the AR10 as a precision platform, managing barrel/chamber heat, recoil spring systems, and precision 22lr uppers. John Paul has a wealth of firearms knowledge and he places a distinct emphasis on function and accuracy. I seriously doubt he considers JP products as "Gucci" -- form over function. I've had the good fortune of working with a handful of great attorneys so far during my career. Using the concept that Gucci is form over function, they should have minimal issues arguing in court that JP isn't Gucci. | |||
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Waiting to vote and post pix until after I win my Springfield Armory Tu Lam's SAINT Victor. ____________________ | |||
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I did have to think about the question a bit before voting. Mine are not in the simple category as in fresh from the carton, add an optic and go shooting. | |||
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They're after my Lucky Charms! |
I think the question is a bit misleading. To me, Gucci meant having the top end of what ever kit the situation called for. So an HK 416 with only a US Optics LPVO and shooting nothing by Federal GMM ammo might be the definition of KISS, but definitely Gucci. Optics and sling are the only two visible upgrades on my two ARs. Both also have two stage triggers installed. I like to stay on the higher end for gear, but I am also not buying the highest price item because I want to be the coolest guy at the range. Lord, your ocean is so very large and my divos are so very f****d-up Dirt Sailors Unite! | |||
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