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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by cigardad:
recent regulatory developments with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF),

What's got ATF's knickers in a bunch over the 1301 Tactical?

Apparently, the 7+1 tube.

This is likely an 'actual' 922(r) issue, NOT the faux paranoia associated with modifying an already imported/manufactured shotgun and does not necessarily have to do with the fact that it has a 7+1 Tube, just that the Beretta 1301 w/ that feature is non-compliant due to it's imported parts count.

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We are reaching out to inform you of a pause in the further production of the Beretta 1301 Tactical shotgun with 7+1 capacity, effective November 4, 2024. This decision comes in response to recent regulatory developments with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), impacting the importation of certain components essential to the assembly of the 1301 Tactical in the US.

Section 922(r) prohibits the importation and/or assembling of a non-sporting shotgun (and other firearms) using more than 10 of the imported parts designated in the regulation. If Beretta is assembling the 1301 in the US from imported parts, this is EXACTLY what 922(r) is all about! If the imported parts count in not in compliance w/ Section 922(r), they will need to source/manufacture sufficient parts in the US in order to produce/sell the 1301 here and be in compliance.

I suspect that DJT's director of ATF will not spend his time looking for ways to jam up the system. MAGA

I was wondering how Beretta was getting around 922r with the 7 shot tubes. Sounds like the simple answer was that they were just ignoring it.

So, it's more about the origin of the parts than about the ammo capacity?

Correct. 922r requires that any semi auto rifle or shotgun that is imported, or assembled from imported parts contain no more than 10 out of a listed 20 parts. I'm guessing that the 1301 has more than the 10 maximum parts.

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Originally posted by vthoky:
So, it's more about the origin of the parts than about the ammo capacity?

I’m so glad I picked up a 1301 a few weeks ago when I saw them on sale for $1299, partially due to the recent shotgun threads posted here.

^^^^^^^

I thought Beretta dealers were required to go with MAP.

I don’t know about MAP, my 1301 Mod2 Was actually 1275 from arms Unlimited about a month ago

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I don’t know about MAP, my 1301 Mod2 Was actually 1275 from arms Unlimited about a month ago

Gen 2 or Mod 2? The cheapest I have ever seen a Mod 2 is $1,449.99 right now at Bereli and I've been watching like a hawk, including Arms Unlimited. If you snagged one for $1,275.00 that's a smoking deal.

Beretta 1301 Mod2 Tactical Semi-Auto 12-Gauge Shotgun
J131M2TT18-BLK
Brand: Beretta
Color: Black
$1,275.00 USD
Qty: 1

I went back and checked the email they sent - it was “ THIS WEEKEND ONLY: $1,275 “

Good snag.

I don’t get the letter saying it has to do with the importation of “certain components” essential to the assembly of the 1301. Are they saying that the guns are all imported with 5 round tubes, Beretta USA is swapping them out here, and they are stopping the import of 7 round tubes? The 7 round factory tubes are still available on the Beretta website, although they are apparently difficult to change out because of the threadlocker Beretta uses.

Anyway, this seems only mildly annoying at best. Just add a +2 extension, like the people who have an earlier 1301 with a 5 round tubes do.

I wonder what’ll happen to us end users from a “consumer protection” standpoint? Will Beretta be sending me a retrofit kit for the evil, non-compliant shotgun they sold me?

As I understand the 922(r) implications, aren’t us owners on the liability hook for possessing non-compliant firearms, legally purchased or not?

IRRC no private individual has ever been charged with a 922r violation. It's something that importers and manufacturers have to deal with.

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Originally posted by stormin:
I wonder what’ll happen to us end users from a “consumer protection” standpoint? Will Beretta be sending me a retrofit kit for the evil, non-compliant shotgun they sold me?

As I understand the 922(r) implications, aren’t us owners on the liability hook for possessing non-compliant firearms, legally purchased or not?

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Originally posted by stormin:
I wonder what’ll happen to us end users from a “consumer protection” standpoint? Will Beretta be sending me a retrofit kit for the evil, non-compliant shotgun they sold me?

As I understand the 922(r) implications, aren’t us owners on the liability hook for possessing non-compliant firearms, legally purchased or not?

922r is a massive house of cards and it's not on consumers but importers/manufacturers to comply. When Benelli offered actual NP3 plated M4's, ATF cracked down on them for 922(r) but did not require them to recall/replace. That's why the actual NP3 Benelli M4's are worth so much today...not many of them.

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Originally posted by stormin:
I wonder what’ll happen to us end users from a “consumer protection” standpoint? Will Beretta be sending me a retrofit kit for the evil, non-compliant shotgun they sold me?

As I understand the 922(r) implications, aren’t us owners on the liability hook for possessing non-compliant firearms, legally purchased or not?

We talked about it here.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0601935/m/5320086115

Again, there is nothing, I repeat nothing, in 922r about possession. It only talks about assembling and importing. You didn’t assemble it, and you didn’t import it. The only one on the “hook” is Beretta.

Originally posted by SgtGold:
IRRC no private individual has ever been charged with a 922r violation. It's something that importers and manufacturers have to deal with.



^Bingo Folks^ Don't lose any sleep over this.
Crossing fingers more winning come January.

Even if you are of the opinion that 922r applies to individuals (I'm not a lawyer and not stepping in that argument) if you purchased an already assembled firearm, you are in no danger.

Berretta both assembled and imported the weapon. The end purchaser did neither. There is nothing in the law about possession, only assembly.

I'm a rules-oriented guy and all my builds are 922 compliant, but even I would feel perfectly safe with a 1301 purchased with a 7 +! tube. I would however be nervous if I were a Beretta exec.

Link to a mega thread on the 1301, they're discussing the 922r issues also...

https://pistol-forum.com/showt...eretta-1301-Tactical