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Originally posted by Anubismp:
Malfunction clearance is by nature more complex as I don't always have access or a view of the chamber. Legitimate gripe but I'm not clearing a double feed or bolt override without cover and some spare time no matter what the gun is.

That's also another TFB TV video on the AUG and how easy it is to clear those malfunctions. The whole video is interesting at the Steyr Academy, but I just found this to be incredibly slick:

I have seen that video. I had since forgotten about it; it's very cool. In the context of the AUG anyway, perhaps malfunction clearance is only challenging if we confine ourselves to thinking inside the AR15 "box". Though I do agree with those who think less of an emphasis ought to be assigned to malfunction clearance "issues".

Thank you for posting that. I don't believe I have seen it before. If anything, it reinforces the point that it is maybe not worse but, instead, different.

Another guntuber posted a timely video about bullpups. He teamed-up with another tuber, they both invested in a Bullpup (MDR and RDB), and they did their best to integrate them into their established "systems". Their main gripes were difficulty in integrating accessories and, something I hadn't thought of, their firing hands being beaten up when utilizing cover. They commented on the practicality of the Tavor and AUG hand shields. To their credit, they made a good effort, and spent multiple days "in the field" with the rifles. However, I got the impression that it wasn't nearly enough of a commitment to break through the AR familiarity threshold; they commented on the fact that it felt so nice to get back to the AR, despite their minimal issues with the pups. Like ARC said: you gotta make that choice. They were also rather dismissive of the trajectory and terminal performance advantages, which is the crux of the discussion, so I ultimately took their opinions with a grain of salt. I guess it's easier to ignore that stuff when the steel rings either way.

It's also worth noting that they both used silencers, and both guns had adjustable gas systems. They made no comments on sound comparisons to an AR.

The video KSGM mentioned (1.5x speed is your friend):

I only have one bullpup currently which is an FS2000 w/ tri-rail. It’s a strange rifle in so many ways but it is fun to shoot. I don’t shoot it much and enjoy it for what it is. I would be happy with another bullpup but it keeps ending up to far down the priorities list for me to pull the trigger on one.

Hop and Brass Facts also fully admit they are deeply in the spectrum of autism known as Night Vision, so every rifle they equip must be setup for Night Vision accessories, and something that will never be overcome on a bullpup vs a traditional rifle is rail space.

The other issue on accuracy is legitimate as getting a bipod on the end of a bullpup also kills what precious rail space is there, and in most bullpups the barrel sticks out of the chassis for lack of a better term while traditional rifles either have free floated barrels or longer handguards that can be braced against cover for longer shots.

It's something that Nutnfancy also ran into on long range accuracy between ARs and bullpups like the Tavor or the AUG.

Night vision is definitely in the modern discussion. I think it's doable on pups though, with some creativity. For one example, there is an ADM mount for Steiner lasers that allows you to cantilever the laser forward about an inch, relative to it's regular footprint. Using a mount like that could get the laser out past the end of the handguard just enough to make a difference. Also, if the aftermarket did get traction, the night vision rail space problem would get solutions. The Tavor in the image I linked earlier was night vision capable; though only at shorter ranges, due to the lack of rigidity on those side rails.

I took possession of my friend's Hellion today. I hope to have some silencer impressions to share, by the end of the week.

I thought one of the interesting observations was how the more recently designed bullpups lack the knuckle-guard so prominent on older bullpup designs, and how that effected their shooting off barriers/objects. Without said guard, and only the traditional trigger guard, they found themselves crushing their hands when bracing the weapon. Very cool.

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Originally posted by DanH:
Hop and Brass Facts also fully admit they are deeply in the spectrum of autism known as Night Vision, so every rifle they equip must be setup for Night Vision accessories, and something that will never be overcome on a bullpup vs a traditional rifle is rail space.

The other issue on accuracy is legitimate as getting a bipod on the end of a bullpup also kills what precious rail space is there, and in most bullpups the barrel sticks out of the chassis for lack of a better term while traditional rifles either have free floated barrels or longer handguards that can be braced against cover for longer shots.

It's something that Nutnfancy also ran into on long range accuracy between ARs and bullpups like the Tavor or the AUG.

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At least for the AUG.



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^^^
Not me.

Another timely video!



Also, I fired my borrowed Hellion today. It's owner was present as well, so we took turns firing and standing laterally, so as to get an idea of at-ear sound as the shooter, and an impression of the noise somewhat detached. We swapped the same can and ammo over to an AR as well, for a comparative impression. The Hellion does damn good with the can; better than I would have guessed, based on my experience with the AUG. There was no discernable noise difference either as the shooter, or the bystander. However, the AR had a barrel that was 4.5" shorter. Maybe that means a bit of a win for the AR. That can be balanced out a bit by the Hellion being cleaner about everything though.

I'm not sure when I can do my head-to-head. Hell, if the MA legislature has a hard-on, this shit is banned and I have to ask permission to own things I already own.

Maybe I need to go boating.

My dance card is awful full, so I will offer this:

Fingerbanging these rifles side by side, the "Hellion" is bottom rung.

If you don't have a gunshop or friends enough to fondle them, I think for most it would be between the X95 and Hellion, because the AUG is more spendy. On that, X95 all the way.

I rank the AUG #1, because the "feel" head-to-head for me it's on top. I think the Keltec is great, and you should seriously consider it for a truck gun, but I understand why people dismiss it.

Because I have so much time with the AUG, I know that some will say I'm biased.. kinda? To that, I'd say as I've said before. If something works for you, train with it.

Contemplating being completely dumb and trying a MDRX for the multi-caliber option. Consider the rep it’s a crapshoot, but I think I’m going to do it. Can only get the 20” in MD, but the prices aren’t bad at Eurooptic right now.

Follow up from Hop and Brass Facts on their bullpup video. This was taken from a podcast so none of the video matches up with anything they say, but still interesting.

I recently handled one at aim, it felt cheap, like kel-Tec level quality, I’m sure they work fine but just the feel of it was a big turn off. Trigger left a lot to be desired too.

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Originally posted by limblessbiff:
I recently handled one at aim, it felt cheap, like kel-Tec level quality, I’m sure they work fine but just the feel of it was a big turn off. Trigger left a lot to be desired too.

One what? We're talking about a bunch of guns.

Also, do better than "kel-tec level quality." Kel-tec isn't actually the trash people who don't know Kel-tec say it is. At least for their rifles. Other people can defend their pistols I have no interest.

People who don't own or who have never shot a gun, don't really know anything. Fingerbanging is good, go with your gut for you. GunTubers I do think offer more value than the gun rags of old, but I think some become too much of a gun snob by the nature of their work. Once you are famous on Youtube, how do you stay real? I trust Inrange and Forgottenweapons, and a few others. Everyone else has to be spicy for clicks.

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Originally posted by arcwelder:
One what?

A Hellion