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That does seem like a decent option if all one has is a 410 bore shotgun. I was surprised by how far the pellets penetrated, but because they don’t expand that should have been expected. The energy of each individual pellet isn’t that great, but the total is far higher than any common handgun round and the multiple wound paths would certainly help.




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I mean. For a .410 if that's all someone has or can shoulder the recoil for. I'd say 10/10 it would certainly suck to get hit by it.




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A .410 slug has more energy than a 44 magnum handgun if my memory is correct.


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Yes, rather than choosing a .410 for home defense, one might find that a .410 shotgun is the only firearm in the house, in which case an ammunition choice like this OOO buck load would be a real comfort.

But, if you did want to purchase a .410 to do the job, this five shot Rossi Circuit Judge might be the ticket. Do you think somebody makes a speedloader for this thing?


 
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It looks like some buffering material would be useful in preventing pellet deformation and making the pellets penetrate truer.

Pretty good if a .410 is your only choice.




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Think of it as five .35 cal (9MM is .355) pellets @ 1000 fps - A lot of energy if two or treee are pellets strike the target, let alone all 5.


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This beautiful bastard is available in .410!

 
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Might be fun to see if I can squeeze the 2.5" length shells into my 444 Marlin for shits and giggles! Yes you can load and shoot some 2.5" 410 in 444 Marlin, but the pattern is usually awful because the rifling. These might not be so bad since the shot is all lined up and will probably grab some rifling for some spin on the way out for accuracy. Of course, I don't know what 4 rounds of 60grain pellets will do over a single 240+grain bullet going a LOT faster in the real world, but might be fun to play with on something like watermelons!
 
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Might be fun to see if I can squeeze the 2.5" length shells into my 444 Marlin ....

If you can do that it would be interesting to learn the results.




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My thinking of this particular 410 load is along the same lines as Mikus36 said. I'd refer to it as a five shot burst from a 9mm SMG.
 
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The performance of the individual pellets of that 410 Bore load don’t begin to approach the terminal ballistics of the 9mm Luger. Depending upon their actual velocity, each lightweight (~68 grains) pellet develops about 180 foot-pounds of energy and they don’t expand like good 9mm bullets. A standard pressure 124 grain hollow point 9mm load bullet at 1100 feet per second develops well over 300 ft-lb of energy. In addition to the much different characteristics of the projectiles themselves, the 410 load produces a total of about 900 ft-lb of energy with its five pellets; a five-shot burst of the standard pressure 9mm delivers over 1600 ft-lb. If a 9mm +P load at 1200 fps were used, the total energy of five shots would be nearly 2000 ft-lb.




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Will make my Springfield M6 more interesting as a back country truck gun.

 
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Will make my Springfield M6 more interesting as a back country truck gun.
Excellent. A box of this Remington stuff and a box of #8 birdshot would be my choice. I'd be interested in seeing how your little popper patterns with this OOO buck load.

This stuff isn't cheap, though (surprise!) The lowest price I find on it is 1.87 per shell, and most places are asking well over two bucks. Sold in 15 round boxes. You could end up paying close to 40 bucks for a box of this stuff. My, my.
 
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Unfortunately my speakers crapped out,how far did he say the distance to the gel was on the table? How does the pellet size compare to that of a 12 gauge 000 buck? I wonder how the recoil would be from a S&W Governor,seriously, but I can only imagine.
 
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He said he shot from 5 yards.
Pellet sizes based on their numbers should be a recognized standard regardless of the gauge of the shotshell being used. The nominal size of 000 pellets is 0.36". For comparison the size of more common 00 buck is 0.33".




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