Originally posted by patw: I wonder how the recoil would be from a S&W Governor,seriously, but I can only imagine.
I've shot .410s in a Governor and it's not bad at all.
I've also shot them in a Bond Arms derringer and that's really not as bad as you might think. It was light enough that everybody in my weekly shooting group tried at least one, including women and a female R.O. and nobody complained about recoil.
One thing to take not of is how small that group was when it struck the gel. Buckshot loads tend to pattern to a diameter that is roughly 1/2 the pattern size for Bird Shot. So you are putting a lot of energy in to rather small area. Get good with a shotgun and a dead center shot at 15 feet is automatic even when the target is moving at 40 mph or more.
Also take note that these are 3 inch shells and many 410 shotguns will have 2 1/2 inch chambers. So before you plunk your money down on the counter that the time to actually look at the chamber length stamped on your barrel. Firing a 3 inch shell in a 2 1/2 inch chamber can lead to a burst chamber and that is something you do not want to experience.
Also take note of the barrel length for this video. Most Home Defense shotgun feature a 18.5 inch barrel so there is a reduction in velocity when compared to the 24 inch barrel in this video. It's a pure guess but I would expect to see velocity of 950-1000 fps. The powders used for the 410 tend to be a bit slower burning so barrel length does cause more variation in velocity.
BTW, I shoot 4 gun Skeet and 70% of my practice is with the 410 because it costs less to reload, the recoil won't build a flinch, and it's plain fun when you hit. My personal choice for a House Gun is a Remington 870 with an 18.5 inch barrel loaded with 5 rounds of #4 Buck. As much as I enjoy shooting the 410 when someone kicks in your door I go for the biggest baddest boom on hand.
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I just did what I think made my Mossberg .410 better for home defense. I picked up a 18" barrel and sent it to R&D Custom Barrel Service and had screw in chokes installed. Now, I have cylinder, modified and full. The modified really improved the pattern of both 2.5" and 3" 000 buckshot. The cylinder works good with slugs. I am going to add a dot sight to it. I just have to get a mount made in my shop. It has worked out well.
Originally posted by Scooter123: Get good with a shotgun and a dead center shot at 15 feet is automatic even when the target is moving at 40 mph or more.
I also shoot skeet and this is absolutely true.
It's also the reason why I laugh when I see instructors advocating shooting on the move. Somehow they think that someone moving 2 or 3 miles per hour at 15 feet is hard to hit when in actuality there's only around 1 or 2 inches of lead at those distances and speeds which equates to no lead at all. Your front sight covers more than 1 or 2 inches at that range.
Originally posted by bubbatime: A .410 slug has more energy than a 44 magnum handgun if my memory is correct.
People like to tout them as same as a .41 Mag, but they're more like .38 Special. Slugs in 410, both foster style and Brenneke are sub bore diameter and light for caliber (compared to a pistol bullets. For some reason 87 grains comes to mind for the Remington slug, but I'd have to find it to be sure)
I wish .410 at least had cost and availability parity with 20 gauge. Used to be inexpensive to shoot compared to the bigger bores, but now they rake you over the coals for it. It's an ideal introductory round for new shooters, but dang stuff is ridiculous expensive for what it is, and I can never find it. Maybe I'll start loading for .410