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Originally posted by az4783054:
We've also seen recently that a member assumed that since his pistol 'fit' the holster made for another pistol it was safe to do so. The results were an unintended discharge and injury.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/1160027954

"fits" doesn't take into consideration safety factors that the manufacturer has to consider. The negative publicity alone before the facts are known could cause financial ruin (firearm or holster manufacturer). In this litigious society this MIGHT get a company sued even when it's the fault of the user.

"The community long ago figured out that the HK45 fits the P30L ALS, the HK45C fits the P30L ALS, and the VP9 (at least with light) fits the Glock 21 ALS. I have tried these myself and wouldn't think twice about carrying them on duty that way."

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Originally posted by tha1000:

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Originally posted by Chowser:
Buck Pierson is testing a prototype

I'm more interested in that grip than the holster...

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Originally posted by RichardC:

Let the cool kids one-upmanship American Ninja frenzy carry on.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
As fancy as those are give me a P226 or Glock 17 any day over a 2011 for duty use.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Meh. I find it hard to get excited about this, one way or another. If SOG wants this, and it is inside of their budget, by all means. There is a certain point that you reach where a Glock will only do so much. SOG shooters are past that point. Some people act as if this is a bunch of hayseeds looking for a equipment solution to buy skill.

When you couple that with how/why the 1911 fell out of favor with JSOC (which American law enforcement at that level often emulate), this is not a bad choice.

The telling thing in this article is the addition of the RDS. You'll see over the next bit that the USSS CAT teams, BORTAC, SOG, HRT, etc are all running dots on their pistols now. It is also interesting that the choice wasn't an RMR. Even though we constantly are bombarded with how anything but the RMR is junk. Guess they aren't looking to rack the slide 100 times on a steel table and whatnot.

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Originally posted by Ken226:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Meh. I find it hard to get excited about this, one way or another. If SOG wants this, and it is inside of their budget, by all means. There is a certain point that you reach where a Glock will only do so much. SOG shooters are past that point. Some people act as if this is a bunch of hayseeds looking for a equipment solution to buy skill.

When you couple that with how/why the 1911 fell out of favor with JSOC (which American law enforcement at that level often emulate), this is not a bad choice.

The telling thing in this article is the addition of the RDS. You'll see over the next bit that the USSS CAT teams, BORTAC, SOG, HRT, etc are all running dots on their pistols now. It is also interesting that the choice wasn't an RMR. Even though we constantly are bombarded with how anything but the RMR is junk. Guess they aren't looking to rack the slide 100 times on a steel table and whatnot.

For CBP, including Border Patrol and Customs, the dot optics are going agency wide. CBP just adopted the Glock 47 mos agency wide and are working on adding severaldot optics to the authorized equipment list. Word is, the Deltapoing Pro, RMR and Docter are going to be at the top of the list.

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Originally posted by HCM:
The Gen5 G19MOS will be the basic issue for CBP including ISBP

Regardless USMS already allows RDS on Glocks, USSS has adopted the same MOS Glocks as CBP so the implication is RDS are coming. FBI SWAT /HRT are looking at them. Look for ICE to add an optional P320 variant with optics soon as well.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
Guns for gunfighters. Raylan Givens needs one of these

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Originally posted by DirectDrive:
I wonder if that Antifa in Lacey got smoked with an STI ?
Whatever they used, he was well-ventilated.

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Originally posted by Chowser:
I totally forgot to see what the Marshals were carrying this morning. We were all using rifles anyway.

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Originally posted by jljones:
So, just to clarify. VERY, VERY FEW deputies will be issued or see the 2011 within the USMS. I'd wager less than 50. SOG is a full time SWAT team, that does many team oriented SWAT stuff. Some of the recent Marshal related stuff that has been in the news weren't SOG related.

Inside the Marshal's you have the deputies, and then you have the ones assigned to court house security. They are the guys you see in the gray pants and blue blazers at the federal court houses. Most deputies and court security deputies will be armed with the G19. You'll see a fraction of those with an RMR mounted to the gun by personal purchase. Then you have a teeny, tiny fraction of those who are assigned to SOG.

Unless SOG deploys to your area for an event, you have a greater chance of seeing an honest politician than you do a deputy marshal with a 2011.