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I've been debating on picking up a subcompact for a while now. Instead I bought P320C to fill that void, and have regretted it ever since.

Then I read through this thread and I'm extremely hesitant about picking up the SDP subcompact. So many horror stories about the subcompact, it seems like a hit or miss on a $800 gun. uhhhh

I'm another dissatisfied customer. The pistol (Subcompact Alpha) is very well made, but my sights are not properly regulated for elevation and despite their advertising, no tritium night sights have been made available for customers. Neither the Swiss factory nor Kriss has shown any inclination to even respond to customer complaints. They are absolutely the worst company I've ever done business with.

Beyond the above, few holster makers have obtained molds for the subcompacts, the notable exception being SF member Ryan Grizzle (aka: Country Boy). If you need a good holster for your SDP Subcompact, he's your man!!! http://www.rgrizzleleather.com/

This is exactly the kind of feedback that worries me. I REALLY like the features and allure of the subcompact but the possible barrel issue rubs me the wrong way on a $800 gun. Also like you I prefer night sights as well.
It's also interesting with the terrible customer service. Not something I would expect from a higher end brand, but I guess it happens everyday to the best of us.

Before buying one, I'd ask myself this: "If a part breaks, will I be able to obtain a factory replacement?"

Based upon my unsatisfactory (one-way) exchanges with KRISS and Sphinx, I'd have to answer that I don't know. With customer service like that...

Good news if these do in fact make it to market. Any word on whether these XS sights will fit the Subcompact as well?

Better late than never!?!? I'll believe it when I see it. I still have my Subcompact and if these are more than vapor ware I'll most likely give them a try but I can't say that I'm confident if you have to go through Kriss to get them. Thanks for the news.

I see these are the XS brand sights, a very different approach to sights than most. Obviously, some people do like them.

They are not precision sights if that's what you are looking for, but more for fast sight acquisition.

No H.A.L.O. sights as originally part of the Sphinx marketing program.

MP

Yep, it seems like the XS sights would be quicker to pick up than traditional sights, especially the Big Dots. Interesting for a carry gun but maybe not so much for precise shooting. That's why I'm hoping these XS sights will also fit the Subcompact because I'd like to give them a shot on mine but not really on its big brother, the Compact. Hopefully come Springtime they will be available. Always left wondering when it comes to Kriss which is too bad because I really love both Of my Sphinx handguns.

Has anyone tried a mag extension on their SDP mags? I ran across one online recently for around $25. Machined and adds 3 rounds if memory serves me right.

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Better late than never!?!? I'll believe it when I see it. I still have my Subcompact and if these are more than vapor ware I'll most likely give them a try but I can't say that I'm confident if you have to go through Kriss to get them. Thanks for the news.

Having totally lost my confidence in Kriss as having an iota of concern for their customers, I'd pass on buying ANYTHING from them. Better to purchase these (if they show up) from directly from the manufacturer or replace the factory rear sight with a 10-8 rear, as I did with my SDP Subcompact.

I have been following this thread and I own two Compact SDPs. I am considering getting a Swiss Sub-compact (if I can find one) to carry. Please share your views on this as a carry piece and where I can purchase one. Am fine with used, prefer new.

My subcompact is not Swiss (didn't know that was even an option) but I love it nonetheless, apart from the usual complaints about the lack of access to aftermarket accessories. I am excited about the XS Sights news. Hopefully it actually happens. I've read about issues that some have had with barrel specs but mine has been flawless with both FMJ and JHP. I've got about 3000 rounds through it so far and it's crazy accurate. I've carried it for over a year aiwb and don't see myself switching to anything different. A good belt is a must, though, because it's thick, blocky and heavy but not overly large considering the 13 + 1 capacity. Don't know what else to say other than I am very happy with mine.

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I have been following this thread and I own two Compact SDPs. I am considering getting a Swiss Sub-compact (if I can find one) to carry. Please share your views on this as a carry piece and where I can purchase one. Am fine with used, prefer new.

I carried my Swiss(the only kind I new of) subcompact from shortly after they were available until I sold both it and my Compact DuoTone out of frustration with Kriss/Sphinx.

My Subcompact was one of the ones that needed a trip back to Kriss for the barrel locking problem. Their customer service was excellent at the time, and I had a reliable pistol back to me within a week... impressive.

I began carrying it in place of my P239. They are very close in size, but the Subcompact carries 4 more rounds. The weight of the pistol absorbed recoil very well, and I found I could be extremely accurate with it.

Its one failing was the lack of night sights. Kriss/Sphinx kept promising them, then eventually cut all communication. Their customer service wouldn't even reply (on their own FB page or directly). The pistol was excellent in well lit areas, but lacking in any other environment. A great pistol with one failing.

I went back to my equally accurate P-239.

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I carry my subcompact more often than any other pistol. It's Swiss made and as long as I don't try to feed it 147gr. rounds loaded long, it runs great. I have come to accept the fact that the pistol does not like long OAL and or certain bullet profiles - just like some of my CZs don't like these bullets. It is very accurate and conceals well. I carry my SDP "semi-compact" in the winter.

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I have been following this thread and I own two Compact SDPs. I am considering getting a Swiss Sub-compact (if I can find one) to carry. Please share your views on this as a carry piece and where I can purchase one. Am fine with used, prefer new.

Cabelas in Kansas City has a nice one for sale.

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I carry my subcompact more often than any other pistol. It's Swiss made and as long as I don't try to feed it 147gr. rounds loaded long, it runs great. I have come to accept the fact that the pistol does not like long OAL and or certain bullet profiles - just like some of my CZs don't like these bullets. It is very accurate and conceals well. I carry my SDP "semi-compact" in the winter.

Before I had my subcompact repaired by Kriss/Sphinx almost as soon as I got it, the pistol would choke on certain ammo, certainly 147 gr. just as yours. A Kriss/Spinx repair eliminated any ammo specificity issues, and I could then shoot anything. Possibly a good local pistolsmith could do for your pistol what the factory guys did for mine. In light of the state of their current customer service, at this time I would not advise sending the pistol to Kriss/Sphinx. From first hand experience I know the issue can be resolved and make the pistol totally reliable.

I really liked my Sphinx pistols, and if it wasn't for lack of night sights (for carry) and my disgust with the company I would have remained a huge fanboy.

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I don't visit this forum often, but wanted to post up some dated information. Back in December I received my Sub-compact back from Kriss-Sphinx after repairs for chambering issues.

They were prompt to reply after contacting them via email. They sent a RMA stating turn-around was 3-4 weeks.

My one complaint with the Sub-Compact is it would not chamber 147gr XTC, which is my preferred round for my Compact. I like to keep a spare mag in the truck and having one 15-rounder with a round both pistols will shoot reliable and well is the desire. So I saw this as an opportunity to get the pistol repaired and possibly shoot the 147gr round.

I have fired 1000+ rounds thru it since the repair and no issues. And it does fire the 147gr round reliably and very accurately like the Compact. They replaced the barrel and slide stop to fix the chambering issue. I am a little hard on my pistols and they noted some cosmetic damage to the slide. So they replaced the slide, springs, and a new firing pin. They tested the pistol with 9 different types of ammo. I had a Novak adjustable sight on it and they moved it over with no comment. (This pistol had the different sights and CGW springs, so I thought they may not warranty it as it was not stock)

I received my pistol in more like 7-8, but quite happy with the results. I give them some latitude as they are a relatively new company in the US. I pretty much received a new slide on my receiver, so can't complain.

Great pistols. I have a Novak rear on the Compact and 10-8 now on the back of the Sub-Compact. Wouldn't change anything with them.

Mark

Oxcart,

How many rounds did you put through it before sending it in?

Did Sphinx give any explanation of what was wrong with the old barrel and slide stop?

Or how the new barrel / slide stop alleviated the issue?

Just thought I'd mention it here since it's fairly relevant. I though tied seen awhile back that Kriss bought the Sphinx parts and/or rights when Sphinx had some money troubles but I recently saw where B&T out of Switzerland bought the Sphinx stuff and have come out with something a little different, a pistol/SBR. It's called the B&T USW. It has a folding stock and an Aimpoint Nano on a mount at the rear of the slide.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/...rsal-service-weapon/

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BubbaJoe - 3k or so, not a lot. No explanation provided. The new barrel chamber is not as tight as the old barrel from a visual drop test of a loaded round, particularly a 147gr XTC. MOS 2112? Mark

They replaced the same parts on my Subcompact and the problem I was having was POA/POI varied by 6-8 inches. It didn't fix my problem so I fixed it with Novaks. I'm guessing Kriss didn't have the support they hoped to from Sphinx but that's speculation.

For those looking for night sights there might be an answer.

Prepper Gun shop is selling factory installed
Meprolight Tru-Dot Tritium Green Night Sights on Compacts.

https://www.preppergunshop.com...t-sights-2-15rd-mags

They are also selling sight sets for $109.

https://www.preppergunshop.com...td-factory-packaging