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Originally posted by josey:
Flork , what about TW-25b grease ? I use it in abundance in all my pistols and my rifles, AR-15 and VZ-58 ... On the rifles, particularly I found out that it doesn`t allow the powder residue to stick to the chamber and the interior , so it is very easy to clean the rifles after a shooting session . No wonder the military uses the stuff ...!!!

another +1, works great, nothing sticks to the lube or the lubed surface. Doesn't help silence slide wiggle though...

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Guggie

another +1, works great, nothing sticks to the lube or the lubed surface. Doesn't help silence slide wiggle though...

TW-25b help with a loose 239 I had. Love that stuff.

Well this thread rocks. Thanks, Flork!

And mil-comm just got another customer.

TW-25b is what was recommended to use on all Sig's when I attended Armorer's School.
This is what we used to lube the guns in the cleaning / relube phase of the Sig 556 operators class I took at Epping in 2008.

TW-25b is what I'm currently using on all my guns, but I just picked up a syringe of Shooter's Choice Red to try.

At one time a sample tube of TW-25b was enclosed with each new gun.
Some of my new Sig's had the TW-25b sample, and some had the Miltec-1 sample.

I feel Flork's mixture is worth a look. There is always another way to skin a cat, so they say.

I believe that both Bruce, and Flork are not fans of TW25B as it is not viscous enough. I know that is the case on Alloy frame SIGs, not sure about Stainless Sigs.

Bruce Comments on TW25B

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Originally posted by quattro_joe:
I believe that both Bruce, and Flork are not fans of TW25B as it is not viscous enough. I know that is the case on Alloy frame SIGs, not sure about Stainless Sigs.

Bruce Comments on TW25B

If you do as Mill-comm advises and apply to the rails, then buff off leaving no visible grease behind (to attract dirt, etc. ) there is NO viscosity issue. There is no viscosity at all! Is it the general consensus that TW25B should not be relied upon for the rails on alloy guns? Mill-com says otherwise. It also came with my P239 NIB.

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Originally posted by quattro_joe:
I believe that both Bruce, and Flork are not fans of TW25B as it is not viscous enough. I know that is the case on Alloy frame SIGs, not sure about Stainless Sigs.

Bruce Comments on TW25B

I'm glad to know that we've got advisors that know more than Sig Sauer about their own products! (Sarcasm)

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Originally posted by josey:
Flork , what about TW-25b grease ? I use it in abundance in all my pistols and my rifles, AR-15 and VZ-58 ... On the rifles, particularly I found out that it doesn`t allow the powder residue to stick to the chamber and the interior , so it is very easy to clean the rifles after a shooting session . No wonder the military uses the stuff ...!!!

As long as you use enough and keep it on there, I see no problem with it. The stuff runs a bit more than most greases I recommend, but it still works.

Scott, thank you for the excellent info!

I was a gradual convert to grease several years ago, ( and Bruce schooled me up on proper levels of grease application, depending on the intended use, during one of his classes in Epping. ) I started off with Shooter's Choice and now I mostly use Slide Glide lite for all of my semi-autos: rifles, shotties and pistols.

As a unit armorer, I see alot of soldiers who never apply lube of any sort to their rifle, pistol or machine gun, then they're surprised when it stops functioning for them at the range. It's gotten to the point that whenever I issue out any of my weapons to the guys prior to a range, I stand there and make them spray some CLP into the innards of their weapons before they leave the arms room area. A few guys have came back to me and said they never knew how much of a difference putting some lube on a weapon makes.

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Originally posted by sig229steve:
I'm glad to know that we've got advisors that know more than Sig Sauer about their own products! (Sarcasm)

Bruce is considered by many to know more than Sig Sauer about their own guns. Just because they design and make them doesn't mean they know what's the absolute best for them.

Wow! Am I under lubed!! I always thought I should use just enough oil to create a lite sheen and nothing more. I will have try the grease, thanks Flork

Any chance you or Randy might do a post like this for revolvers?

I use my 642 for EDC and when I asked a question about grease on revolvers over on S&W forum, most folks advised oil only. I assume it has to do with several things like the action being more enclosed, no reciprocating slide, and the recommendation to not fully disassemble revolvers too routinely. But I can't help wondering if a light coating of grease wouldn't be better than just oil.

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Originally posted by JAFO:
Any chance you or Randy might do a post like this for revolvers?

I use my 642 for EDC and when I asked a question about grease on revolvers over on S&W forum, most folks advised oil only. I assume it has to do with several things like the action being more enclosed, no reciprocating slide, and the recommendation to not fully disassemble revolvers too routinely. But I can't help wondering if a light coating of grease wouldn't be better than just oil.

Yea, you should smear as much grease as you can all up and down the barrel and the wheel! Rub a little on the trigger and the hammer as well!

JAFO,

I'll talk to Randy about that. The man knows revols better than S&W does. I'll leave that to him.

Flork

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Originally posted by sig229steve:
Yea, you should smear as much grease as you can all up and down the barrel and the wheel! Rub a little on the trigger and the hammer as well!

Gosh, Steve. That kinda makes me wonder where you hide your revolver!

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I'm glad to know that we've got advisors that know more than Sig Sauer about their own products! (Sarcasm)

i'm not quite sure abut the sarcasm

many good 1911 smiths (Bruce is among them) know more than the factories about keeping them running...the same goes for the AR-15 and S&W wheelguns. the top Python pistolsmiths certainly isn't empolyed by Colt.

why would that surprise you?

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Originally posted by JAFO:

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Originally posted by sig229steve:
Yea, you should smear as much grease as you can all up and down the barrel and the wheel! Rub a little on the trigger and the hammer as well!

Gosh, Steve. That kinda makes me wonder where you hide your revolver!

Nice.

Based on my experience with aircraft, you'd be amazed about what the factory doesn't know. They simply don't use their product to the extent or in ways customers do. Typically, the engineering staff focuses on new products, minimizing production problems, reducing costs, etc. rather than on maintenance. On the other hand, even the most knowledgeable/gifted technicians (who should know) are often simply ignored by management . . . YMMV.

I use a syringe as well. I bought mine here. IMO they are much easier to use than a brush etc. I just scoop in the slide glide.

Okay, so my crude attempt at sarcasm has been a bit misunderstood. I do acknowledge the folks at GGI are among the best in the business and I think that while I disagree with the amount of product used here in the illustrations that a good quality grease like slide glide is essential. I realize that the problem posed with oil is that most oil wont stay put like a tacky grease such as the slide glide does.

I'm looking forward to seeing future post by Scott about other parts of the gun and what he uses in areas like the barrel and how he applies it. Keep it coming!