OK, just kidding. It would be undignified, not to mention, they might think you're some kinda whacko.

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Originally posted by Vgex:
Didn't either the Mossberg carry pistol have a optic ready slide that was cut to be modular with multiple footprints w/o plates? Even came drilled for little pegs, like seen above to accommodate either RMSC or holosun k optics.

Others like Shadow Systems have a cut that will take the RMR/DPP optic and have spacers you install to make sure the smaller optic doesn't have wiggle room, but nothing to such a degree that HS Product designed for this gun. It's the most impressive thing on this entire firearm.

TFB TV did a review and also seems to have found an issue with Springfield assembled extended magazines not being assembled correctly. I've seen this little embarrassment in the video repeated on other YouTube channels.



I also don't think a full ambi mag release is any excuse to dump XD mags for something completely different.

Apex = already has a full length guide rod and few other parts, they are working on a barrel and trigger currently.

"Oh look. Another plastic striker fired pistol..."

They need to ditch that ambidextrous magazine release.

HO has his video up. Motion sickness at around 10:00 warning.

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Originally posted by tigerbloodwinning:
I mostly agree with Ian's assessment. However, Steyr was the actual pioneer of the removable FCU. SIG just found a clever way of marketing it.

The main innovation in the new Echelon would probably have to be the pin system for mounting the optics. The other improvements are already available on other handguns, although maybe not all together at once like on the Echelon.

Toni Systems has been using that optic mounting system for a while.

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Originally posted by sphill:
Toni Systems has been using that optic mounting system for a while.

Did they not bother to patent it? S.A. says the VIS mounting system on the Echelon is patent pending.

Thanks for posting this.

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I also don't think a full ambi mag release is any excuse to dump XD mags for something completely different.

But creating a whole new revenue-generating ecosystem is. It's not really any different than what FN did with their move from the FNS to the 509, or Walther moving from the lever catch PDP to the button catch PDP. Pretty sure each of these companies could've chosen to spend the time and effort (and cost) to integrate some level of backwards compatibility if they wanted to, but where's the (new) money in that? HS Produkt didn't bother to take the effort to make XD/HS2000 mags compatible with their XD-M series (aside from the .45s), so why would they do so now with a new product even farther removed from the 1990s?

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Toni Systems has been using that optic mounting system for a while.

I looked at the Toni website; while their system is based on using plates rather than the pin holes being milled directly into the slide, it seems like there's no question that it's "prior art" that could/should go against Springfield's patent application. Then again, stealing ideas from others is nothing new for Sprinfield, or any of many players in the gun business. SIG did file a lawsuit against SA for poaching the P365's magazine design. And SIG themselves has had their own issues with 'borrowing' other folks' ideas without permission.

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"Oh look. Another plastic striker fired pistol..."

Indeed it is. While it sounds interesting and actually has some neat bells and whistles, it's not exacting putting itself into a deprived and hungry marketplace, at least here in the U.S. However it may do well in the international arms arena with police and military sales. I like how clean their trigger group design is compared to the SIG FCU is; there's no springs and widgets hanging down below the trigger housing, just waiting to 'BOING' because of out-of-spec interference with other parts, like gun mags for instance (as in the case with early first-year P365s). The optic mount flexibility is huge, even if it looks like it's plagiarized from another company. And getting rid of that damnable grip safety; it certainly took them long enough.

I dunno how much Springfield input went into this gun, but I have to say that I'm rather impressed by HS Produkt's overall work.

Good luck to Springfield. Time will tell if people actually buy it.

It looks almost like a Beretta APX A1, which is a freaking outstanding pistol, that no one owns or wants to purchase.

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Originally posted by DanH:

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Originally posted by Vgex:
Didn't either the Mossberg carry pistol have a optic ready slide that was cut to be modular with multiple footprints w/o plates? Even came drilled for little pegs, like seen above to accommodate either RMSC or holosun k optics.

Others like Shadow Systems have a cut that will take the RMR/DPP optic and have spacers you install to make sure the smaller optic doesn't have wiggle room, but nothing to such a degree that HS Product designed for this gun. It's the most impressive thing on this entire firearm.

TFB TV did a review and also seems to have found an issue with Springfield assembled extended magazines not being assembled correctly. I've seen this little embarrassment in the video repeated on other YouTube channels.



I also don't think a full ambi mag release is any excuse to dump XD mags for something completely different.

James Reeves is in deep Doo-Doo. He used the term "GAS PEDAL" at the 5:23 mark.
Everyone knows what that means.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
James Reeves is in deep Doo-Doo. He used the term "GAS PEDAL" at the 5:23 mark.
Everyone knows what that means.

Uh oh. Is the Douche Pedal®™ guy threatening lawsuits in his comments yet?

I got the Echelon and fired it. It is a very good gun. Reliable, sights are POA/POI and the trigger is crisp. I will be waiting when a smaller grip from SA, Apex trigger are available. This gun has potential. A lot better experience than with P320.

Any idea if they plan to offer one with a manual safety?

As much as I enjoy reading how SA missed the mark or is marketing something absolutely cringe, the Echelon looks pretty good. The P320 is an absolute non-starter for me. Based on which features SA has integrated, and just as importantly, the previous gen "features" they've omitted, the Echelon looks to be exactly what a modern pistol should be right from the start.

The only thing I am wary of is the optics mount situation. I am certain SA's is better than the MOS, but there needs to be an industry standard for maybe mini-picatinny solution milled into every slide (one for full size/one for micro), then whichever mounting plate fills the the gaps.

I understand irony of trying to make a new standard. (Sorry if it's been done to death)

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Originally posted by Edmond:
Any idea if they plan to offer one with a manual safety?

God I sure hope not.

I don’t hate the idea of it. I’d certainly like to have a chance to shoot one, I think it has potential, I’m not looking for a large pistol, but I could see this as a night stand/range pistol..