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Originally posted by iron chef:

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Originally posted by cslinger:
Looks like it has a “trigger pack” in looking at the inset Genesco marking just in front of the slide lock.

"P320 style FCU & modularity"

So original, just like everything they make.

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Originally posted by iron chef:

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Originally posted by cslinger:
Looks like it has a “trigger pack” in looking at the inset Genesco marking just in front of the slide lock.

"P320 style FCU & modularity"

Glossed right over that. Reading is indeed, fundamental. Thanks.

It looks like what you would get 9 months after a Springfield XD raped a Beretta APX.

Looks like their VIS setup fits multiple optic footprints.

That's what you have to do when the sight companies won't standardize. Why don't we have a "Bomar" and "Novak" of the optic world?

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Originally posted by Chowser:
Looks like their VIS setup fits multiple optic footprints.

That's actually pretty brilliant. It will be interesting to see how well that works in practice...and if it does work, how long it will take aftermarket companies to start offering similar solutions for other platforms.

I realize that some designs are limited by the slide internals as to how you can cut them, but this at least demonstrates the possibility. I have a few guns that I'd like an optic on, but have been hesitant to have cut because I don't want to tie the lifespan of an otherwise "timeless" design to one particular electronic device. But if there was built-in modularity to accommodate a wide variety of optics, it would assuage those concerns quite a bit.

I am not a SA guy. (I have an EMP4 which I love though) I have to give them credit though, this thing is why you don't necessarily want to be first to market.

That optic system, if it works well, is brilliant to steal the above quote. Why the footprint hasn't been standardized is another discussion but this makes it a fairly moot point.

I also LOVE the VP9 style "ears" on the slide. Fucking outstanding.

Modularity is also good. Mainly because that grip module looks like dog shit to me so I would replace it if the market makes a better option.

I will watch this gun, it is interesting to me and they did take a bunch of other ideas and meld them well with a bit of ingenuity of their own.

Didn't either the Mossberg carry pistol have a optic ready slide that was cut to be modular with multiple footprints w/o plates? Even came drilled for little pegs, like seen above to accommodate either RMSC or holosun k optics.

The picture on the first page and the close up of the optics system don't look like the same gun. The closeup shows a deep cut and recess while the first pic doesn't seem to show that at all. Maybe it is just the camera angle.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
The picture on the first page and the close up of the optics system don't look like the same gun. The closeup shows a deep cut and recess while the first pic doesn't seem to show that at all. Maybe it is just the camera angle.

It's the angle & lighting (or lack of). The slide has a roof-like shape to it. In the first photo, the tapering of the slide gets lost in the shadows, so you can't see the recess.

Here's a different angle.



I'm seeing the Echelon priced online for ~$600, which is competitive against a Glock MOS.

This thing will need to be on the market for at least 2 years before I will take a serious look. I have already spent way too much money being a beta tester for guns like the S&W M&P 1.0 and Sig Sauer P320. I had very early editions of each. Both were turds when they were originally released.

Springfield Armory made that grip module PAF for a reason. I'm sure other versions have already been developed with different features. It will be a big money maker for the company like it has been for Sig Sauer. For better or worse, modular frame handguns are the future.

I agree that there is some brilliance with the adaptive capability with all rds and not needing additional mounts. It's funny no one else has done anything like this prior and it seems like such a simple idea.

On a side note, I often think of S.A. is just trying to stay in the game of polymer guns and they always seem to lag behind.

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"A plastic, striker-fired SIG knockoff"

Looks like a Glock with a Grey Ghost Precision slide...

Some cool innovation...but I'll stay with my Glock...besides to get it approved here in CA it'll need a magazine disconnect and a LCI...

I mostly agree with Ian's assessment. However, Steyr was the actual pioneer of the removable FCU. SIG just found a clever way of marketing it.

The main innovation in the new Echelon would probably have to be the pin system for mounting the optics. The other improvements are already available on other handguns, although maybe not all together at once like on the Echelon.

I don't care what it takes off from, all I care about is it reliable, is it accurate, does it have ergonomics that fit my hands?

Show and tell at the local range on Friday.

I don't mind that, not as far as black plastic pistols go. Certainly looks more ergonomic and ballanced than the brick on a stick XD. The grip , at least the bottom end, sort of reminds me a little of the original Steyr M series pistols.


I don't need one and really have no use for it. But based on my XDs and Hellcat, I'd certainly buy one if I did.

(I owned an XD ever so briefly, bought because it was dirt cheap. Worked fine, just did nothing for me)

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Show and tell at the local range on Friday.

During the presentation, I dare you to jump up and yell "IT'S NOT A TOOMAH!!"

If you say what that means.
Is it out of a movie or something?

You know, because of the lumps on the pistol.

So, you'll do it, then?