Lower cost PPX reboot, but with a PPQ/PPS-M2/CCP slide profile and a rounder trigger guard. I've only held one once before it sold; didn't impress me but at least I think it looks better than the PPX. According to a TFB review, they did have three stoppages in 630 rounds of 115gr and 124gr Blazer Brass, which to me would be a red flag. In the end they graded its accuracy as 'average', as they did the gun as a whole. Seemed generous to me.
It's tough to get excited about these, S&W SW9, or other budget hand guns. You just need to spend another $40 and you can find a Glock 19, Walther PPQ, or FN FNS used. Even the Canik can't get me to pull the trigger. I see the hype, the reviews, and get tempted....but then I find a deal on P320 or a Beretta 92FS Compact for about the same money.
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Originally posted by Beanhead: It's tough to get excited about these, S&W SW9, or other budget hand guns. You just need to spend another $40 and you can find a Glock 19, Walther PPQ, or FN FNS used. Even the Canik can't get me to pull the trigger. I see the hype, the reviews, and get tempted....but then I find a deal on P320 or a Beretta 92FS Compact for about the same money.
You don't even have to spend extra for the FNS if you want it in 40. I have been seeing FNS 40's with Stainless slides and night sights on Slickguns for as low as $345. There are also good deals on M&P 40's popping up in the $299 range.
Doesn't the creed have a MIM barrel?
I have one of these (Taurus slim) in each of my cars. Both have been totally reliable but the triggers suck. You get a lot of front sight bounce. I can still keep all rounds on an 8" target at 10 yards but still not the most accurate guns. With that said at $160 I wouldn't be heart broken if they got stolen. They are also small enough that I can slip them in a pocket without issue. I keep guns in my cars because I often go places (like work) where I can't carry but if I stop at the store or something before or after I want the ability to grab my car gun and stick it in my pocket of waist band. They both sit in remora holsters.
Originally posted by RHINOWSO: Nothing from Walther interests me anymore.
This ^^^^^
After watching how they are not dealing with product design and manufacturing defects I think I'm done with Walther.
Too bad, because I still really like my PPS M2.
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It is manufactured in the same place as the CCP, which is the biggest POS pistol I ever had the misfortune to buy. Walther will never get another dime from me. I have zero confidence in their new guns. As others have said, spend a little more for a quality used gun.
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO: Nothing from Walther interests me anymore.
I'm mildly interested in the Q5 match...
You'd be well-served to do your research on the Walther forums before so, IMO.
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO: Nothing from Walther interests me anymore.
I'm mildly interested in the Q5 match...
You'd be well-served to do your research on the Walther forums before so, IMO.
Seems like the issues that every other early adopter has with a new platform, honestly. It's between it and the 320 x5.. slight edge to q5 for taking a wide variety of dots, mild nudge back in the other direction for Sig including 4 140mm mags in the box.
Dont know which direction I am going to go, but the option to shoot production and carry optics with one gun is what I am looking for in my next gun.. bonus points if I don't have to wind up buying a glock.
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I believe, just like the PPX, the Creed is not made by Umarex. I have had both and still have my PPX. I just love the PPX trigger on that ungainly looking gun. So when the Creed came out, I purchased it as well. Both are entry level guns but the Creed, at least mine, just didnt have as good a trigger. Like the PPX, it is large and clunky but with a less than stellar trigger, it was not staying in my little Walther collection...which includes the PPQ Navy and PPS M2. The PPX made more sense as one could purchase it for under $300 brand new. However, my Creed was $350 out the door but unless money is issue, there are better guns for the value, IMO.This message has been edited. Last edited by: gunguru123,
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Played with the creed at the shot show and wasn't impressed with the trigger... I don't think Walther makes all crap like some make it sound... the PPQ has probably one of my favorite stock triggers I've ever felt in the price range and in my opinion a great firearm, but everyone has their preferences.
But I do agree that I would go with a cheap PD trade-in M&P, Glock 22, or something similar for a truck gun and can be found for the same price or in some cases even cheaper