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Like stated, modern Walther pistol's are either made in Arnsberg by Umarex or in Ulm by Walther, Umarex being the parent company. Ulm Walthers are world class pistols, Arnsberg pistols are a crap shoot. Arnsberg firearms are made to a price point but there is so little difference, maybe fifty to seventy dollars, between a CCP and PPS; it seems insane for a shop to carry a CCP. Interestingly the older PPX seemed to have a decent reputation for a cheap pistol but the CCP disaster has made me avoid Arnsberg guns like the plague. Hopefully the Cread will prove to be decent like the PPX but Umarex got lucky with the PPX. Don't confuse the two different lines of guns; Umarex should leave Walther alone to produce firearms worthy of the name.
 
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Like stated, modern Walther pistol's are either made in Arnsberg by Umarex or in Ulm by Walther, Umarex being the parent company. Ulm Walthers are world class pistols, Arnsberg pistols are a crap shoot. Arnsberg firearms are made to a price point but there is so little difference, maybe fifty to seventy dollars, between a CCP and PPS; it seems insane for a shop to carry a CCP. Interestingly the older PPX seemed to have a decent reputation for a cheap pistol but the CCP disaster has made me avoid Arnsberg guns like the plague. Hopefully the Cread will prove to be decent like the PPX but Umarex got lucky with the PPX. Don't confuse the two different lines of guns; Umarex should leave Walther alone to produce firearms worthy of the name.


The PPX was made in Ulm, as is the Creed. Not sure who designed them but from what I recall, both are Ulm built. All three of them say it on the side of the gun as well, my PPX, Creed and PPQ Navy. Of course I don't have the Creed anymore, it just wasn't as fun to shoot as the PPX.



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Thoughts on the Creed?

A big Meh from me. Too many better options these days.



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Thanks for the correction, I was under the impression that all the economy line were Arnsberg manufactured. Nice collection.
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Like stated, modern Walther pistol's are either made in Arnsberg by Umarex or in Ulm by Walther, Umarex being the parent company. Ulm Walthers are world class pistols, Arnsberg pistols are a crap shoot. Arnsberg firearms are made to a price point but there is so little difference, maybe fifty to seventy dollars, between a CCP and PPS; it seems insane for a shop to carry a CCP. Interestingly the older PPX seemed to have a decent reputation for a cheap pistol but the CCP disaster has made me avoid Arnsberg guns like the plague. Hopefully the Cread will prove to be decent like the PPX but Umarex got lucky with the PPX. Don't confuse the two different lines of guns; Umarex should leave Walther alone to produce firearms worthy of the name.


The PPX was made in Ulm, as is the Creed. Not sure who designed them but from what I recall, both are Ulm built. All three of them say it on the side of the gun as well, my PPX, Creed and PPQ Navy. Of course I don't have the Creed anymore, it just wasn't as fun to shoot as the PPX.

 
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My thoughts are that it has a stupid name.
 
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I think the Creed is a decent choice for a pistol in it's price range. The PPX, which the Creed is a redesign of, has a pretty good reputation. Yes it has a three part barrel but there have been just a very few reports of problems with that and so far none for the Creed itself and I doubt but a very few owners of the Creed will be high volume shooters of it.

Though not a pistol that appeals to me personally, if someone asks me for recommendation of a full size pistol in the under $350 range I would tell them to check out the Creed.
 
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