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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by tsasser05:
P227 carry. Mag/grip cut down with 8+1 doublestack capacity. 3.9” barrel, Legion features. SAO with P226 Legion SAO style safety

The P227 is gone from their website. So, I don't see your wish coming true.

The P227 was not a strong seller for us. Perhaps some day SIG NH will resurrect the model, but I'd say it would do better as a full steel gun in 10mm, and not something in 45AUTO. We sell far more 10mm P220s than we do 45AUTO P220s these days. Even the 45AUTO Legion hardly gets fawned over.

Well last year in this thread I "wished" for quality control that was exemplary right out of the box. Given what happened with the P365 this year, I'd say that request very much went unfulfilled.

Honesty about changes.

I don't care what they change on a weapon I've purchased. I do expect them to tell me, or at least give a straight answer when I ask them. And if it's a design change that affects reliability, or safety, I expect an RMA and shipping label for the asking.

If we're talking about gun wants? All I really wish they made that they don't is a P365 with another inch or half inch of barrel. I don't feel it would impact holster carry much if at all; there are obvious accuracy and ballistic advantages to a longer sight radius and barrel; and it would get the slide velocity down a smidge.

Oh and FFS let me order P320 grip modules with the cutout for the manual safety. "Take a Dremel to it" is something I'd expect to hear from a Hi-Point rep, not two separate SIG CS guys.

Since the thread has found new life, let me repeat:
Classic P225. Rail less and tail less. All stainless. Night sights and SRT, standard. In .357
And furthermore:
Single stack SP2022 in .45ACP.
Single stack P320 10 rounders.
And either find MIM stuff that works or go back to tool steel.
A MIM striker in the 365? Whose idea was that?

Thinner P320 9mm

Phase Plasma Rifle in the 40-watt range.

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Honesty about changes.

I agree with that 100%. It's what got me so pissed at them re the 365.

And yeah, I saw the VP9 with the American Mag release. What I really want is a P2000 with a button mag! Even a VP9 SK with a button would be nice. The VP9 is a nice gun, but it's simply too big to interest me.

With SHOT coming up next month, I'm excited to see what comes out. I'd still love to see Sig make a 365 that has a 4" barrel and an overall height of 5". That is basically a G19 sized 365, just a lot slimmer.

I am also excited to see if anyone was able to field a 365 direct competitor for SHOT.

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Originally posted by cslinger:
A return to the commitment of "To Hell And Back Reliability". It just seems like every new release is plagued with issues and feels like a "consumer grade" cost cut product.

This ^^^^^.

I've been a massive Sig devotee since 1989 when I bought by first P226, still have it. Yeah, I know the world has changed and the globalists have pretty much nuked the concept of craftsmanship in their blind race of profit lust by cheapening parts, labor and ramming things out the door like Lucy's candy factory conveyor belt. Nothing matters but the sale, right?

Having said that, I don't believe Ron Cohen had to go 'full retard' and throw so much out the window to try to elevate Sig into a 'complete systems provider'. If one stacked up all the 'Oops' that's happened on his watch, you'd think you were reading the history of AMT owning Harley Davidson...almost. No one needed or wanted three hundred day-glow, tie-dyed t-shirt style 'Special Edition' whatevers of the same exact gun, but everyone DID want weapons that were thought out before they shipped.

I love the *idea* of the Sig 556 and 556 Xi, but haven't bought either because all I've heard is they have issues and aren't always that accurate. I remember the continuing hiccups with the P250 series, the P290 and its supposed fix the P290RS, the PR disaster that was the whole P320 drop fire issue.

I've even read complaints on substandard P226's and other classic pistols; for example the paper thin finish that seems to haunt the Legion series and the bait and switch of "They have GrayGuns triggers, now they don't!" And the P365 should have been the undisputed world beater King of CCW...but they just couldn't wait to test it and sent it out flawed. How much did that hurt the image and sales of that nearly perfect pistol? It makes one's brain hurt knowing how little it would have taken to get that thing right, then release it. Did they learn nothing from the P320 debacle?

My only wish for Sig Sauer? Respect the customer, respect the reputation and stop mimicking S&W's late 1980's 'Gun of the Month' routine by cranking out new crap that hasn't been thoroughly tested yet.

Make QUALITY the first, biggest, loudest and most vital aspect of the Sig Sauer brand. Do NOT have even one more tiny little "Ooops, sorry. That got out before we tested it!" accident. Using your customer base as beta testers for decidedly not-inexpensive products is not only cynical and disrespectful, it has nearly turned Sig into an gun community joke. And makes Sig's own fans not trust them.

In 2006, if you got online and asked if Sig was quality, everyone understood the answer was a resounding 'Yes!', the only complaint was that they were very pricey. Now? The impression and perception is that they are still pricey but not worth it because the products will either have the finish come off the frame the first time you reload a mag, the sights won't be aligned or be the wrong size, the slide rails won't be aligned or match the contour of the rear of the frame, the damned thing won't fire because a part broke or binded, it will fire if you drop it or at some point, for some reason, just expect you'll have to send it back to Sig to get some broken spring, extractor, trigger bar or SOMETHING replaced or fixed.

Sig should NOT have this reputation. They aren't yet at same point Cadillac was at when it released the Cimarron and told everyone what a great ride it was, but if they don't sack the Hell up and stop this nonsense, there will be a breaking point where you can't get your customers back.. you'll have permanently 'Borked' your own rep.

Don't do that Sig, please. Fix this nonsense, now.

How about support for “older” models. Specifically, the 556, 522, P228. Why buy something if six months later SIG won’t support it. Even HK supported the P7 for years and years which is more than SIG can say. If they don’t want to support them, then allow a reputable company to license the product and produce parts. Something like PTR and their HK clones.

I would add that since the 556 debacle, I have not bought a SIG. I’ve looked a lot at the P320 and the P365 but I’m waiting to see if they last and under what version. However, I’ve bought numerous HKs and Walthers during this time. SIG has interesting products if you can (1) trust they will work and (2) will still be producing them or at leasting supporting them five years after they were released.

Couldn’t agree more on the quality front. I too would like to see the original P225 in all stainless. I took my W German P225 to Jerry at Total Automation and after the high torque trigger and QRT mods, the trigger blows the P225-A1 “Classic” or whatever the hell you want to call it out of the water... yet Sig and other experts couldn’t figure this out???
While Sig is at it, I’d like to see the P938 in all stainless and the compact P210 be introduced... when a quality product is ready.

This looks like an old thread that has come back to life, but I'll answer with one request to Cohen and the SIG management: Trim the fat and strip down the entire product line.

I would rather see a very few products executed WELL, instead of a ton of mediocre products that were made to satisfy customer requests.

It may sound really fun to demand that SIG make some obscure model like the P225 or P227 in a carry size and some fancy grip configuration, as an example. But personally, I'd be happy to see Sig put out quality plain Jane P220s and P226s. Nothing fancy, standard materials, standard grips, standard sights, most common calibers. That's it.

I would tell potential customers and for that matter forum posters the same thing. It is unreasonable to expect SIG or anyone else to produce a whopping huge product line and maintain quality. HK doesn't do it, Glock doesn't do it, and companies like Apple don't do it.

Keep things simple and put out a quality product at a reasonable price. I'll be satisfied.

I'll summarize the results of this thread with a gif.

And very little sales. Companies don't discontinue guns that sell profitably.

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Originally posted by ruger357:
Dump mim and make old school p220s , 226s, 228s, 239s... That work every single time. No rails. No rainbow colors.

Have a 238, 226 Legion and a 229. Pretty much happy and can use the combat sight picture.

But would be great to have option for a #9 front and rear sight from Sig

Let us buy service parts and magazines for P239

Yes, continue to supply parts and magazines for 239. They put the product on the market, we bought it and now Sig should loyally keep the guns functioning. Show the consumer some good corporate faith.

Sprinkles. Lots of sprinkles.

Everybody and their grandmother wanted a 10mm P220. Sig made one. I bought one.
I didn't want a Maximus Whizzrobe Doublehydra Wunderpuss edition, a simple two tone was adequate.
Would it be great if they would e-mail me and say they had some 9mm magazines from Germany and I could buy enough to file chapter 11? Sure!
I can't expect to be able to call them and get an extra barrel for my Western Marshall either.

By the same token, even if they did try to fill every request, it would be like trying to savor a drink from a fire hose.

I should also add that it is great that Bruce is here and listens to us, but he probably a busy guy. Might have other stuff on his mind.

Guess when the next time they'll sell extra barrels in 44 Magnum:

I'd like to see SAO across the DA/SA line. They have done the engineering. There is an SAO 220, 226 9mm and Legion 229 9mm.

I'd buy an SAO 229/.40 in a heartbeat.

I'd also like to see a .45 229. They built a few of them as research projects at one point, and I even held one in my hand, but it wasn't for sale. Sweet God, it was nice, though. As I recall, it was finished in Equinox trim.

I would like to see a quality 22lr. Not a 320, p226,1911 caliber exchange. Hell not even a p210 caliber exchange.

Just a solidly designed and thought out 22lr 10 round pistol.

The trailside though not sig's is a good gun. the mosquito even with my great exp with mine was not. Give sig afficienato's a quality stainless. 22lr target pistol

Continue support and parts for discontinued guns that we all thought would be around for a long time, not a few years. Such as P224 and P227!