quote:

Originally posted by agony:
Converting a recently purchased used 23 to a 19

What the Hell???

I thought switching Glock calibers was usually just a barrel and magazines. I guess I've been misled.

quote:

Originally posted by 1lowlife:
Perhaps I should give it another shot.
Maybe the G19 grooves will fit my hand better without the backstrap (AKA SF frame)..

Maybe, but probably not. The backstabs change the girth of the grip, and affect trigger reach. They don't change the vertical spacing of the finger grooves.

I still carry a Gen 2 G19, specifically because the Gen 3 and 4 finger grooves on the Compact models are too close together, and crowd my wide hands. No issues with the finger grooves on the full size or subcompact models, though.

There are a few drawbacks to the Gen 2. Namely the lack of a light rail and less ideal grip texture (but Talon Grips help with the latter). I'm still hoping for a 19M or Gen 5 G19, without finger grooves.

I'm in the same camp w/ you 1lowlife, I don't care fore the Gen4 texturing either. I'm perfectly satisfied w/ my Gen 3 guns.

quote:

Originally posted by newtoSig765:

quote:

Originally posted by agony:
Converting a recently purchased used 23 to a 19

What the Hell???

I thought switching Glock calibers was usually just a barrel and magazines. I guess I've been misled.

Well, I don't want the 23 slide. Bought the pistol just for the frame. Basically rebuilt the frame with the proper trigger housing, and an aftermarket G19 slide.

Glock is perfect for me. I am perfect for Glock.

quote:

Originally posted by Syl:
I will never buy a Glock.

No, you won't buy A glock, you'll buy several

quote:

Originally posted by RogueJSK:

Maybe, but probably not. The backstabs change the girth of the grip, and affect trigger reach. They don't change the vertical spacing of the finger grooves.

I still carry a Gen 2 G19, specifically because the Gen 3 and 4 finger grooves on the Compact models are too close together, and crowd my wide hands. No issues with the finger grooves on the full size or subcompact models, though.

There are a few drawbacks to the Gen 2. Namely the lack of a light rail and less ideal grip texture (but Talon Grips help with the latter). I'm still hoping for a 19M or Gen 5 G19, without finger grooves.

Thanks for the input RogueJSK.
I feel the same way about the compact finger grooves VS the full and subcompact.
I don't care about a rail, I've sold Sigs only because they had a rail..

I'm also kinda waiting to see what a newer Gen of G19 may come out.
I would buy a Gen 5 G19 w/o finger grooves, regardless of the grip texture.
I've sanded down G10 grips, so I can certainly do a little glock texture sanding if needed.

quote:

Originally posted by cobalt 402:
I'm in the same camp w/ you 1lowlife, I don't care fore the Gen4 texturing either. I'm perfectly satisfied w/ my Gen 3 guns.

Thanks cobalt 402.
I don't feel so alone now...

quote:

Originally posted by agony:
Well, I don't want the 23 slide. Bought the pistol just for the frame. Basically rebuilt the frame with the proper trigger housing, and an aftermarket G19 slide.

Gotcha!

Some good photos of the new Glock 17M here:

https://handgunplanet.com/revi...p-photo-documentary/

As a lefty and a fan of the Gen 2s without finger grooves I would like to try one of these. Interesting that they have gone back to a single pin locking block in the 9mm after having standardized the 40 & 9mm frames with two pins over 20 years ago. Looks like they have also gone "back to the future" by bringing back the semicircle cutout at the front of the grip to help strip a stuck magazine, which was eliminated sometime during the early Gen3s. Remind me again why they dropped the Gen 2 frame design?

After shooting my G23 RTF I can say for me no Sig 320's

Yeah, I did the P320C / G19 side by side comparison for 4 months, and the winner was clear.

G19 Gen 4 > P320C 9MM.

quote:

Originally posted by bigwagon:
Looks like they have also gone "back to the future" by bringing back the semicircle cutout at the front of the grip to help strip a stuck magazine, which was eliminated sometime during the early Gen3s.

The Gen 3 G34 retains the cut out at the base of the grip front strap.

quote:

Some good photos of the new Glock 17M here:

I searched 7 web sites for specs on this gun , w/o success .
has anyone seen them some place?

quote:

Originally posted by sns3guppy:

quote:

Originally posted by bigwagon:
Looks like they have also gone "back to the future" by bringing back the semicircle cutout at the front of the grip to help strip a stuck magazine, which was eliminated sometime during the early Gen3s.

The Gen 3 G34 retains the cut out at the base of the grip front strap.

OK. I was talking about the G17, which this is. At some point in the production of Gen 3 17s that was eliminated, and Gen 4s don't have it.

quote:

Originally posted by bendable:

quote:

Some good photos of the new Glock 17M here:

I searched 7 web sites for specs on this gun , w/o success .
has anyone seen them some place?

Detailed specs are not available at this time. Glock has been pretty mum about the details, at least to the public.

The 17Ms are currently only available to law enforcement agencies, and only a relatively small number of agencies have them so far.

There's no indication when/if they'll be available for general sale.

I own Glocks and Sigs, it doesn't matter which one you get, they're both great guns, one isn't any better than the other, between the Glock 19 gen 4 and the Sig p320, there isn't anything not to like, both are reliable right out of the box and accurate, I do prefer the Sig trigger over the the Glock, but not by much, I own several of each brand, and I'm happy with all of them...

quote:

Originally posted by TENWOLVES:
I have to agree, before the Gen 4, I wasn't interested on owning a Glock, they felt like holding a brick, the Gen 4 isn't like that, and fits my hand better and allows me to be a much better shot, both first shot and follow up shots, for me Gen 4 format is worth the extra money spent, so because of the Gen 4's, I now own 4

A big +1. My feelings exactly...

^^^^^^^^^^
Even better, you're not really spending more money for the Gen 4, because you're also getting one more magazine than with the previous Gens.

so why the "M" designation ?
mercury assist trigger system ?

quote:

Originally posted by bendable:
so why the "M" designation ?
mercury assist trigger system ?

Glock hasn't specified what the M stands for. Possibly "Modified".

As noted previously, Glock has been quite tight-lipped with details on the 17M and 19M. But we do know that it doesn't have a mercury-assisted trigger.

The known modifications so far include:

-No finger grooves (obviously)
-Conventional rifling (as opposed to Glock's traditional polygonal rifling)
-Modified barrel crown
-Flared/beveled magwell
-Half-circle cutout at the front of the magwell (like the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Glocks)
-Extended magazine baseplates
-Ambidextrous slide lock lever
-Modified recoil spring assembly
-Modified barrel locking lug
-Modified safety plunger
-Tapered slide nose (similar to the longslide Glocks)
-Improved slide finish

And it's been rumored that the trigger group geometry has been modified, to improve the trigger pull.