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If I had to rely on a .22 I'd want it to be .22 magnum. It's far & above a better round than plain jane .22's. Rom 13:4 If you do evil, be afraid. For he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. | |||
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Let's not forget the Sayeret Maykal Beretta 71's IDF has used 22LR as a sentry gun in suppressed 10/22's. If a well-placed subsonic 40gr bullet can flip the light switch off, well, it has it's place. | |||
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You're much better off with .25 ACP as .22 LR doesn't feed nearly as well and chance of jams are much greater. | |||
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That may be true, but it's more a function of how many .22 firearms are out there, not of how effective the .22LR round is. When I was a kid, practically every family had at least one .22 rifle, even people who weren't hunters or "gun people." | |||
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With centerfire, sure, done it many times, but I've never been able to re-strike a 22lr in the same place and get it to fire. | |||
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With a revolver another trigger pull takes you to another cylinder and another cartridge right ? | |||
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Exactly. A dud round in a semi-auto requires you to get the bad round out of the way and chamber a new round. The same situation in a DA revolver is simply an additional trigger pull, which advances the cylinder and gives you another try with a new round. If ammo reliability is a concern, a gun design that isn't dependent upon the ammo to cycle is ideal. | |||
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That’s not generally true. Some .22 LR guns are superbly reliable. And some .25 ACP guns are unreliable. It’s common knowledge that the Mossad has used .22 LR guns for business purposes. I’ve never read that they used .25 ACP guns. Serious about crackers | |||
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In my revolver? "While not every Democrat is a horse thief, every horse thief is a Democrat." HORACE GREELEY | |||
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I was wondering why the raccoons in the 'hood have been acting so nervous of late... -MG | |||
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The case design of the .22 LR makes it not nearly as reliable to feed and eject as .25 acp or any other centerfire round. That's why .25 acp was invented, to feed better than .22 LR. Will some guns reliable cycle it, sure, but most will have more jams per 1000 rounds than centerfire. Revolvers excluded obviously.This message has been edited. Last edited by: jimmy123x, | |||
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Not nearly as many malfunctions or duds as I was expecting. | |||
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I have been disappointed by CCI lately, at least out of short-barrel 22's. My chrono testing had mini-mags underperforming Aguila super extra and velocitor badly beaten by interceptor. These things (which advertize 950fps) are presumably competing against federal punch, which are supersonic out of a 3.5" barrel. Can't imagine them being a top choice for anything. I do take 22 seriously in the right platform. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...Al_Flight_432_attack
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^ while the .22 got the job done in that particular case, the outcome had more to do with the enormous testicles of Mr. Rahamim than it did the tool. Imagine what he could have accomplished with a larger caliber weapon, or even a rifle! | |||
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He was just getting warmed up, and apparently didn't feel the need to switch caliber or platform. He gives a detailed account of Sabena Flight 571 (three years after Zurich) here: https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/311699
That's before we get to Mossad operations. Shot for shot, there are more effective calibers. But, it's not entirely clear to me that one hit from 45 beats two hits from 22. Handguns aren't devastating -- they either poke a hole through something extremely vital or not. Those little Berettas may not be the ultimate weapon, but they consistently got the job done. | |||
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.22LR penetration test using clothing, meat, watermelon. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Kel-Tec's PMR30 is a great little firearm, superlight weight, and in 22 mag you have 30 rounds at your fingertip. I have two spare mags so with all three, 90 rounds of lightweight ammo Having to defend yourself and having 30 rounds available might be a good thing, plus 22 Mag makes a great ball of fire and noise... | |||
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