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SOCOM was buying Gen3 G19s for a long time. Since somewhere in the mid 2000s (05/06/07?). And later Gen 3 Glock MOS guns which, AFAIK were never a commercial item, I believe 15/16 was when they transitioned from the Gen 3s to the G19 MOS Gen4 and the G26 Gen4 as the Mk26/MK27.


Do you have a cite on this by chance?


For Glock making Gen 3 G19 MOS for SOCOM - primarily professional contacts but there is also a thread on AR-15.com re: SOF use of Glocks / the G19 which includes photos of them by a user who goes by Combat diver.

As for the G26 Gen4 being adopted by SOCOM as the Mk 26 and the Gen 4 G19 MOS as the Mk 27 they both have NSNs as such:

https://nsn-now.com/1005016581930

https://nsn-now.com/1005016587261
 
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SOCOM was buying Gen3 G19s for a long time. Since somewhere in the mid 2000s (05/06/07?). And later Gen 3 Glock MOS guns which, AFAIK were never a commercial item, I believe 15/16 was when they transitioned from the Gen 3s to the G19 MOS Gen4 and the G26 Gen4 as the Mk26/MK27.


Do you have a cite on this by chance?


For Glock making Gen 3 G19 MOS for SOCOM - primarily professional contacts but there is also a thread on AR-15.com re: SOF use of Glocks / the G19 which includes photos of them by a user who goes by Combat diver.

AFAIK the reason for the Gen3 MOS being a thing was admin /“system” related. It was quicker or easier to modify the existing SOCOM Gen 3 G19 contract - the whole “it’s in the system” thing.

As for the G26 Gen4 being adopted by SOCOM as the Mk 26 and the Gen 4 G19 MOS as the Mk 27 they both have NSNs as such:

https://nsn-now.com/1005016581930

https://nsn-now.com/1005016587261
 
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That's awesome! I knew about the G19 but I'm quite surprised about the G26.
 
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Is the 509 going to be issued at the Academy to new Officers in place of the m&p guns?

Will the alternate handgun list still be available to those who do not want to use a 509? I thought that the STI Stacatto P was the hot ticket with LAPD Officers. Regards 18DAI


The FN 509 will be issued to recruits going forward. None of the in-service officers will be issued one, however, officers who are qualified to carry a striker fired pistol will be able to transition to one if they buy one at their own expense.

The Stacatto is what the cool kids all want to carry, however, due to a variety of factors including lack of Bonus qualification and transition schools, not a lot of guys have been able to transition recently. They did have Pistol Mounted Optics Schools for a couple of months earlier this year, so some officers are now carrying RDS systems.
 
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Their gear selection has always been interesting and still is. I would like to know how many 3rd Gen S&Ws are out on the streets now.


There aren’t too many. There are guys out there who are still carrying the 4506, but most transitioned to Glocks or retired.
 
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Thanks mutagen! All my friends who carried S&W 3rd Gen 45s have retired from LAPD. I do know one or two younger guys who took the decocker school last time it was offered by LAPD.

Both of them carry 4506-1. Regards 18DAI


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That's awesome! I knew about the G19 but I'm quite surprised about the G26.


In that world low visibility missions in non permissible or even denied areas are a thing. Plenty of work outside active war zones.

The G26 were easy to justify on the admin side. The M9 filled to full size service pistol role, there was overlap between the G19 and the M11/P228 for the compact niche but there was nothing else which filled the sub compact role for low visibility operations.

Some of the Navy folks who used P226/Mk25s used P239s for the same type low visibility operations but those likely went away when the Mk25s did.
 
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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Is the 509 going to be issued at the Academy to new Officers in place of the m&p guns?

Will the alternate handgun list still be available to those who do not want to use a 509? I thought that the STI Stacatto P was the hot ticket with LAPD Officers. Regards 18DAI


The FN 509 will be issued to recruits going forward. None of the in-service officers will be issued one, however, officers who are qualified to carry a striker fired pistol will be able to transition to one if they buy one at their own expense.

The Stacatto is what the cool kids all want to carry, however, due to a variety of factors including lack of Bonus qualification and transition schools, not a lot of guys have been able to transition recently. They did have Pistol Mounted Optics Schools for a couple of months earlier this year, so some officers are now carrying RDS systems.


Could you advise which optics are currently authorized ?

And any particular requirements related to mounting ?

Are they restricted to factory set ups such as MOS/CORE etc or are other options allowed ?

I ask because in both my own experience and at my agency we have found that as optics them senses have improved “proper” mounting is 50% of the durability equation.
 
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Is the 509 going to be issued at the Academy to new Officers in place of the m&p guns?

Will the alternate handgun list still be available to those who do not want to use a 509? I thought that the STI Stacatto P was the hot ticket with LAPD Officers. Regards 18DAI


The FN 509 will be issued to recruits going forward. None of the in-service officers will be issued one, however, officers who are qualified to carry a striker fired pistol will be able to transition to one if they buy one at their own expense.

The Stacatto is what the cool kids all want to carry, however, due to a variety of factors including lack of Bonus qualification and transition schools, not a lot of guys have been able to transition recently. They did have Pistol Mounted Optics Schools for a couple of months earlier this year, so some officers are now carrying RDS systems.


Could you advise which optics are currently authorized ?

And any particular requirements related to mounting ?

Are they restricted to factory set ups such as MOS/CORE etc or are other options allowed ?

I ask because in both my own experience and at my agency we have found that as optics them senses have improved “proper” mounting is 50% of the durability equation.


Currently, the authorized optics are the Aimpoint Acro P1, Trijicon RMR Type 2, and the Sig Sauer Romeo 1 Pro. They can be mounted on a Glock, M&P or 1911 that already has a factory optic cut. No custom optic cuts are authorized. Glock users may use the factory plate, a Forward Controls plate or a C&H plate, but they must use a sealing plate regardless of which mounting plate they use. All optics are checked for proper mounting torque at the school and witness marks are placed on the screws if they haven’t already been marked. When the schools were being offered earlier this year, the FN had not been authorized. However, moving forward, anyone who wants to spend their own money would be free to mount an RDS on an FN as long as they have been certified to carry a pistol mounted optic.
 
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Originally posted by mutagen:
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Originally posted by HCM:
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Originally posted by mutagen:
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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Is the 509 going to be issued at the Academy to new Officers in place of the m&p guns?

Will the alternate handgun list still be available to those who do not want to use a 509? I thought that the STI Stacatto P was the hot ticket with LAPD Officers. Regards 18DAI


The FN 509 will be issued to recruits going forward. None of the in-service officers will be issued one, however, officers who are qualified to carry a striker fired pistol will be able to transition to one if they buy one at their own expense.

The Stacatto is what the cool kids all want to carry, however, due to a variety of factors including lack of Bonus qualification and transition schools, not a lot of guys have been able to transition recently. They did have Pistol Mounted Optics Schools for a couple of months earlier this year, so some officers are now carrying RDS systems.


Could you advise which optics are currently authorized ?

And any particular requirements related to mounting ?

Are they restricted to factory set ups such as MOS/CORE etc or are other options allowed ?

I ask because in both my own experience and at my agency we have found that as optics them senses have improved “proper” mounting is 50% of the durability equation.


Currently, the authorized optics are the Aimpoint Acro P1, Trijicon RMR Type 2, and the Sig Sauer Romeo 1 Pro. They can be mounted on a Glock, M&P or 1911 that already has a factory optic cut. No custom optic cuts are authorized. Glock users may use the factory plate, a Forward Controls plate or a C&H plate, but they must use a sealing plate regardless of which mounting plate they use. All optics are checked for proper mounting torque at the school and witness marks are placed on the screws if they haven’t already been marked. When the schools were being offered earlier this year, the FN had not been authorized. However, moving forward, anyone who wants to spend their own money would be free to mount an RDS on an FN as long as they have been certified to carry a pistol mounted optic.


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Originally posted by TheNewbie:

Their gear selection has always been interesting and still is. I would like to know how many 3rd Gen S&Ws are out on the streets now.


There aren’t too many. There are guys out there who are still carrying the 4506, but most transitioned to Glocks or retired.



Thank you.

I assume there are still a decent amount of 92s out there.

One question I have always had, and I may be totally off base on this. Why does LAPD not allow anything in front of the gun gear wise?

That would be a lot of empty space, especially on a small guy like me.
 
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Originally posted by TheNewbie:

Their gear selection has always been interesting and still is. I would like to know how many 3rd Gen S&Ws are out on the streets now.


There aren’t too many. There are guys out there who are still carrying the 4506, but most transitioned to Glocks or retired.



Thank you.

I assume there are still a decent amount of 92s out there.

One question I have always had, and I may be totally off base on this. Why does LAPD not allow anything in front of the gun gear wise?

That would be a lot of empty space, especially on a small guy like me.


Are you talking about on the Sam Browne duty belt? It’s probably because they have a specific requirement of what can go on the belt and where it can go. However, unless it’s an inspection, there is a lot of leeway, and guys do carry things on their front right like keys and small lights. I would tend to agree though, it’s best not to put anything in front of the gun that could potentially get in the way.

I would also add that for the past year and a half, with Covid, the Department has authorized BDUs and nylon webgear, so currently, there is quite a bit of leeway on how officers carry their equipment.
 
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