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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Turkish pistols always have an excellent price point but many of them have questionable reliability and durability with the often inferior internal parts and then getting parts and warranty support often is problematic.

When I see high quality pistols like the M&P 2.0 series selling at under $400 these days with terrific warranty, Turkish pistols don't make a lot of sense especially if one shoots fairly often.

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Originally posted by Broadside:
If you are happy with your firearm selection, whatever it is, then believe me when I say that I am happy for you.

But I just don't understand the current obsession that firearm manufacturers have with turning every handgun into a cheese grater with front slide serrations, rear slide serrations and a massive picatinny rail.

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Originally posted by Dawes:
Then Canik partners with Salient Arms and they turn a $350 Canik into a $700 "Elite Combat" model.

http://www.canikusa.com/tp9-elite-combat/

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Turkish pistols always have an excellent price point but many of them have questionable reliability and durability with the often inferior internal parts and then getting parts and warranty support often is problematic.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
The manufacturers make what people ask for. I'm betting that for every traditionalist who hates these features, there are a couple of buyers that want them (or the makers wouldn't put them on the guns.) Look at the growth of the WML market. Also, from a functional standpoint, if you don't use them, they're not in the way. It's only an aesthetic issue.

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Originally posted by Broadside:
If you are happy with your firearm selection, whatever it is, then believe me when I say that I am happy for you.

But I just don't understand the current obsession that firearm manufacturers have with turning every handgun into a cheese grater with front slide serrations, rear slide serrations and a massive picatinny rail.

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
I forgot to include earlier...how IS the quality of Stoeger pistols these days? From our experiences with their shotguns, I've given their handguns a WIDE berth and won't order any in just because of the name association.

We just took in yet another of their shotguns to be returned to Benelli for repair (Benelli manages the Stoeger brand even though Stoeger pistols are typically based off of Beretta designs). It basically fell apart as its owner was shooting it for the first time; this is not the first time that we've encounter a Stoeger that has had this specific issue. These sorts of durability and reliability issues happen more often that I would like to hear and see. A former coworker had his Stoeger semi-auto 12GA lock up solid during a duck hunt. Another customer's failed to extract right out of the box. A different customer had problems with the forend of his field pump binding up. Another had light primer strikes with his coach gun. And on and on.

I certainly question how well they are with shotguns; are they really any better at making handguns?

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Originally posted by lyman:
IIRC Stoeger makes shotguns in both Turkey and Brazil, correct?

were the issues from guns made in teh same country, or both?

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
I forgot to include earlier...how IS the quality of Stoeger pistols these days? From our experiences with their shotguns, I've given their handguns a WIDE berth and won't order any in just because of the name association.

We just took in yet another of their shotguns to be returned to Benelli for repair (Benelli manages the Stoeger brand even though Stoeger pistols are typically based off of Beretta designs). It basically fell apart as its owner was shooting it for the first time; this is not the first time that we've encounter a Stoeger that has had this specific issue. These sorts of durability and reliability issues happen more often that I would like to hear and see. A former coworker had his Stoeger semi-auto 12GA lock up solid during a duck hunt. Another customer's failed to extract right out of the box. A different customer had problems with the forend of his field pump binding up. Another had light primer strikes with his coach gun. And on and on.

I certainly question how well they are with shotguns; are they really any better at making handguns?

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Originally posted by jljones:
Here today, gone tomorrow

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Originally posted by Dawes:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Here today, gone tomorrow

Then they'll be valuable collectibles in 30 years

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Just get a Glock