Another Turkish 9mm hits the market...

January 31, 2019, 05:08 PM

Beretta owns Stoeger but that doesn't mean that's a Beretta. It does look close to an APX though but believe this is a Turkish abomination that Stoeger imports.

February 01, 2019, 03:23 AM

triaxle

I have a gun shop up the road selling Smith 2.0 compact for 349 and first gen Shields for 274 . I never see any of the Turkey made guns at there shop .

February 01, 2019, 08:06 AM

GataGunner

I particularly like the machining marks.

February 01, 2019, 08:23 AM

gearhounds

In an already crowded and cost decreasing market, I don't see these doing great. Too many other really good options to even consider it.

February 01, 2019, 10:16 AM

striker1

It’s not a bad looking pistol. I’m amazed they can get away with the complete rip-off of the Glock takedown.

I guess it could be a decent alternative to a Glock, but I’d still encourage someone new to shooting and in the market to just pick up a Glock (if they were looking for striker-fired).

February 01, 2019, 10:39 AM

BBMW

I tend to agree with you. For $100-150, I'm much rather have a Smith. I think I'd rather have a Smith than a Glock at this point, but that's an entire other thread.

But there is a flip side. When I think Turkish pistol, I think Canik. And there are a lot of shooters out there who love their Caniks. I've never heard anyone who actually has one say anything bad about it. I handled one at a gun show recently, and it had a VERY nice trigger. And they have ISO certifications to back their quality. But you're right in that all an owner has to back them up on parts and service is the importer. And they come and go.

quote:
Originally posted by grumpy1:
Turkish pistols always have an excellent price point but many of them have questionable reliability and durability with the often inferior internal parts and then getting parts and warranty support often is problematic.

When I see high quality pistols like the M&P 2.0 series selling at under $400 these days with terrific warranty, Turkish pistols don't make a lot of sense especially if one shoots fairly often.

February 01, 2019, 10:40 AM

Ryanp225

i wish Glock would make their frames similar to these. The palm swell and P30-esqe finger grooves look very nice.

February 01, 2019, 10:48 AM

Dawes

Then Canik partners with Salient Arms and they turn a $350 Canik into a $700 "Elite Combat" model.

http://www.canikusa.com/tp9-elite-combat/

February 01, 2019, 12:25 PM

Broadside

If you are happy with your firearm selection, whatever it is, then believe me when I say that I am happy for you.

But I just don't understand the current obsession that firearm manufacturers have with turning every handgun into a cheese grater with front slide serrations, rear slide serrations and a massive picatinny rail.

February 01, 2019, 12:43 PM

BBMW

The manufacturers make what people ask for. I'm betting that for every traditionalist who hates these features, there are a couple of buyers that want them (or the makers wouldn't put them on the guns.) Look at the growth of the WML market. Also, from a functional standpoint, if you don't use them, they're not in the way. It's only an aesthetic issue.

quote:
Originally posted by Broadside:
If you are happy with your firearm selection, whatever it is, then believe me when I say that I am happy for you.

But I just don't understand the current obsession that firearm manufacturers have with turning every handgun into a cheese grater with front slide serrations, rear slide serrations and a massive picatinny rail.

February 01, 2019, 12:59 PM

HRK

Good, more options out there the stronger the competition for sales the lower the prices.

Without good striker fired competition Glock would have little incentive to innovate other than to avoid a stagnant market from lack of new product, and zero incentive to price competitively.

Its all that boring Econ 101 stuff...

Still, I just boughta Glock....

February 01, 2019, 01:12 PM

Il Cattivo

quote:
Originally posted by Dawes:
Then Canik partners with Salient Arms and they turn a $350 Canik into a $700 "Elite Combat" model.

http://www.canikusa.com/tp9-elite-combat/

Ask me if I'm saving up for a Salient or patiently waiting for a bog-stock Archon.

February 01, 2019, 04:24 PM

jaybirdaccountant

quote:
Originally posted by grumpy1:
Turkish pistols always have an excellent price point but many of them have questionable reliability and durability with the often inferior internal parts and then getting parts and warranty support often is problematic.

That's pretty much the story with the Turkish shoguns as well. Some are very nice looking externally, but they don't seem to hold up with a lot of heavy use.

February 02, 2019, 06:09 AM

Broadside

quote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
The manufacturers make what people ask for. I'm betting that for every traditionalist who hates these features, there are a couple of buyers that want them (or the makers wouldn't put them on the guns.) Look at the growth of the WML market. Also, from a functional standpoint, if you don't use them, they're not in the way. It's only an aesthetic issue.

quote:
Originally posted by Broadside:
If you are happy with your firearm selection, whatever it is, then believe me when I say that I am happy for you.

But I just don't understand the current obsession that firearm manufacturers have with turning every handgun into a cheese grater with front slide serrations, rear slide serrations and a massive picatinny rail.

I understand this and I understand if it was only an aesthetic issue, but it isn’t just an aesthetic issue. All these additional edges have the potential to snag on things like clothing and skin.

In theory, companies are supposed to make what people ask for, but the reality is that many just follow the crowd. Company A is including this feature so we have to include regardless if anyone really wants it.

I liken it to the fake plastic chrome auto manufacturers put on thier cars every five years or so. They put it on long enough for the people who buy it to realize how stupid it is because it scratches up after a year and looks horrible so the resale value drops and then they take it off.

February 02, 2019, 09:23 AM

lyman

IIRC Stoeger makes shotguns in both Turkey and Brazil, correct?

were the issues from guns made in teh same country, or both?

quote:
Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
I forgot to include earlier...how IS the quality of Stoeger pistols these days? From our experiences with their shotguns, I've given their handguns a WIDE berth and won't order any in just because of the name association.

We just took in yet another of their shotguns to be returned to Benelli for repair (Benelli manages the Stoeger brand even though Stoeger pistols are typically based off of Beretta designs). It basically fell apart as its owner was shooting it for the first time; this is not the first time that we've encounter a Stoeger that has had this specific issue. These sorts of durability and reliability issues happen more often that I would like to hear and see. A former coworker had his Stoeger semi-auto 12GA lock up solid during a duck hunt. Another customer's failed to extract right out of the box. A different customer had problems with the forend of his field pump binding up. Another had light primer strikes with his coach gun. And on and on.

I certainly question how well they are with shotguns; are they really any better at making handguns?

February 02, 2019, 02:54 PM

jaybirdaccountant

quote:
Originally posted by lyman:
IIRC Stoeger makes shotguns in both Turkey and Brazil, correct?

were the issues from guns made in teh same country, or both?

quote:
Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
I forgot to include earlier...how IS the quality of Stoeger pistols these days? From our experiences with their shotguns, I've given their handguns a WIDE berth and won't order any in just because of the name association.

We just took in yet another of their shotguns to be returned to Benelli for repair (Benelli manages the Stoeger brand even though Stoeger pistols are typically based off of Beretta designs). It basically fell apart as its owner was shooting it for the first time; this is not the first time that we've encounter a Stoeger that has had this specific issue. These sorts of durability and reliability issues happen more often that I would like to hear and see. A former coworker had his Stoeger semi-auto 12GA lock up solid during a duck hunt. Another customer's failed to extract right out of the box. A different customer had problems with the forend of his field pump binding up. Another had light primer strikes with his coach gun. And on and on.

I certainly question how well they are with shotguns; are they really any better at making handguns?

I don't think guns from either location shining examples of quality.

February 02, 2019, 02:57 PM

jljones

Here today, gone tomorrow

February 02, 2019, 03:19 PM

Dawes

quote:
Originally posted by jljones:
Here today, gone tomorrow

Then they'll be valuable collectibles in 30 years

February 02, 2019, 04:54 PM

jljones

quote:
Originally posted by Dawes:
quote:
Originally posted by jljones:
Here today, gone tomorrow

Then they'll be valuable collectibles in 30 years

Yeah, you'll be able to trade one straight up for a Bren Ten magazine.

February 02, 2019, 08:07 PM

Redhookbklyn

quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Just get a Glock

Winner.