Isn't this market getting a bit crowded?

https://www.stoegerindustries.com/str-9

Yawn.

Looks like a Taurus.

Stoeger is Beretta, correct?

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Stoeger is Beretta, correct?

Correctamundo!

Looks to be a copy of the APX from Beretta.

Let's see the reviews of this gun. If it comes in at or under $300, and has Beretta quality, it could be interesting. I'd like to see how it performs relative to the S&W SD9VE.

Oh look...another Glock-inspired wannabe. Just what the world needs.

These guns are approaching commodity status (all basically Glock clones), but not quite. They all have their advantages and disadvantages, if however slight. So the trick is ton find the one with the best combination of reliability, accuracy, ergomics, features, and price.

And yes, this makes the gun store management''s life miserable.

Choices are always good. It will be intresting to see the street price of this. It will need function well and sell for under $300 considering the competition for entry level double stack 9mm.

The Ruger Security 9 street price around here runs $317 at LGS with them going on sale down to $289 and they sell as fast as the come in. The S&W SD9VE also sell at LGS for under $300 also sells as fast as they come in. The S&W SD9VE only real downfall is the trigger sucks bad. The Security 9 actually has a useable trigger.

I like the looks , I wanted something a little different and just picked up the Beretta APX Centuion 9mm . I may go for one of these it has a nice look to it and I bet it works .

At first glance, the ridges on the trigger and weight take it out of the running for me. Oh yeah, and I'm no longer a fan of Turkey either.

Just get a Glock

They have been cloning Walther and CZ pistols for years. Now it appears that they are cloning Glocks.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Just get a Glock

Yes!

Looks like a Glock with aggressive slide serrations.
In my area the market for slightly used Glocks has softened up in the last few years. You can now find them barely used, often for well under $400.
They have the Glock warranty, parts availability, a proven track record, almost limitless supply of accessories (if that's your thing), holsters and the company will likely be around well after these other makers have disappeared.
The ad claims to have snag resistant sites but the rest of the gun looks like a cheese grater.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Looks like a Taurus.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

I forgot to include earlier...how IS the quality of Stoeger pistols these days? From our experiences with their shotguns, I've given their handguns a WIDE berth and won't order any in just because of the name association.

We just took in yet another of their shotguns to be returned to Benelli for repair (Benelli manages the Stoeger brand even though Stoeger pistols are typically based off of Beretta designs). It basically fell apart as its owner was shooting it for the first time; this is not the first time that we've encounter a Stoeger that has had this specific issue. These sorts of durability and reliability issues happen more often that I would like to hear and see. A former coworker had his Stoeger semi-auto 12GA lock up solid during a duck hunt. Another customer's failed to extract right out of the box. A different customer had problems with the forend of his field pump binding up. Another had light primer strikes with his coach gun. And on and on.

I certainly question how well they are with shotguns; are they really any better at making handguns?

The Stoeger cougar line of guns is solid. Built on Beretta tooling.

Turkish pistols always have an excellent price point but many of them have questionable reliability and durability with the often inferior internal parts and then getting parts and warranty support often is problematic.

When I see high quality pistols like the M&P 2.0 series selling at under $400 these days with terrific warranty, Turkish pistols don't make a lot of sense especially if one shoots fairly often.

The only thing I can see that could attract some is price (but not me).
I've never understood the price issue for a gun you will carry, as long as it's in the same ballpark. You're buying it to potentially save your life.
Almost any plastic gun, Glock, Sig and M&P can be had these days for $500 or under. The cost of the ammo to test and become familiar with a gun usually exceeds the price, not to mention the points already mentioned above.
So how does it possibly save any money if you shoot 100-500 rounds and have a problem, then have to start over and prove again, after any repairs, that it is reliable?