The changes must not have been very extensive. I haven't had a Glock to have apart for some time, but nothing looks obviously different from what I remember.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Hmmm. I thought the "cruciform" was the banned evil part, but it looks to still be present.

Yes, I believe that is specifically stated in the recent California legislation.

There has been speculation that the Gen V would make it onto the Cali roster, but this makes that look like a no-go.

But if this resolves issues in other states or fends off litigation against Glock, that seems like a positive.

Seems to be some new, ramped geometry in the slide underside at the rear end of the striker channel, and the striker itself looks different also. Not fully understanding (or caring) how a switch works, I wonder if that was their end-run around the cruciform thing. For that matter, the geometry on that part also seems to be a little different as well. There are subtle, but apparently meaningful differences.

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Originally posted by stray dog:
There has been speculation that the Gen V would make it onto the Cali roster, but this makes that look like a no-go.

If so, maybe it was never really about California in the first place, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from everyone about Glock “bending the knee” to California.

I think that you're correct, and that the California legislation just happened to coincide with Glock's Gen V release. As I think others have already stated, it's hard to believe that Glock did a quick-and-dirty overnight fix for switches.

I've also heard (mainly through Calif Rifle and Pistol Asso.) that Seattle and Chicago are pursuing litigation against Glock over this, and that there are other anti states working on legislation similar to Cali's. I would believe that Glock has seen this coming and has been working for a while to get out ahead of it.

Just in case we forgot what a Gen 5 Glock looked like on the inside. 19X for reference.

So far, it looks like just those two little “ramps” or whatever you want to call them, by the end of the firing pin channel.

Now let’s figure out why no “MOS” models!

So to summarize the identified changes (based on the info/photos available so far):

1) Twin angled bars/ramps on either side of the striker channel (is this where the "V" designation comes from?)
2) Slightly different firing pin channel cutout (possible change to pin size/geometry too?)
3) Slightly different angle geometry for the cutouts in the rear interior of the slide

But the cruciform itself appears unchanged, which quashes one major rumor. You can see that the trigger bar/cruciform part has the same part number (39701) in both the leaked G19V photos as well as Vgex's Gen 5 G19X photos.

This also means it doesn't come with the Performance Trigger, which was widely rumored/speculated as well.


And the more I look at it, the more I think there isn't anything different with the connector/trigger bar interface, unlike Mrgunsandgear's suggestion at ~4:00 that there could be an added disconnector where the connector and trigger bar meet.

The single leaked photo of the 19V makes it look a little different, due to the reflection and shadows on the frame next to the connector. But if you compare it to a Gen 5 fire control group in the frame, it doesn't appear to be any different than usual.

G19V:


Gen 5 Glock, with GPT on left, standard on right:
(You can see on the GPT one how lube can cause the frame next to that area to appear shiny and metallic rather than its actual black polymer.)

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Johnny Glock as new vid on YT on this subject.

CA politics? Not my monkey, not my circus.
Cruciform part # between Gen 5 and Gen V Glocks are identical.

Yes, as he mentions, the ignorant leftist dykes at youtube halted his livestream yesterday evening. I was watching it, and a few minutes in, this came up:

No consistency in their ridiculous, vague policies, no logic applied. Fucking labia-licking clowns. There's no captain guiding that ship. Any sailor can take the wheel.





If you have the ability to download this video and you want to make sure you can view it at some point in the future, I suggest you do so before Pegleg Polly gets off of her muff-diving break and hits the kill switch when she sees a scary pistol.

^^^^^^^
This is the best video I've seen so far on the Gen V.


Looks like Mr. Guns and Gear needs a new inside contact at Glock. The spectacularly wrong information about going to the GPT with loose tolerances and doing away with the cruciform fueled much of the panic buying. Almost makes me believe he was played to clear existing inventory.

Johnny seems like a solid guy. Pure educational and not jumping the gun so to speak.

I don't know about McGill, but his original video seemed to me, to be an effort to clear inventory

Johnny's video is the best, but Lenny's video gives the same info (just in far less detail) in a much shorter runtime.

Basically, a small number of parts were changed slightly (and made incompatible with previous generations) to make it practically impossible to perform the necessary modifications for the pistol to be able to accept a switch. Otherwise, the V pistols are basically the same as the Gen5 pistols.

The lack of MOS models (which many thought was a typo in the original announcement) is actually a reality. I would guess this most likely means Gen6 is on the horizon, but it's also possible that Glock is doing something new with their "format" entirely, or maybe both.

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Originally posted by MacGyver:
I would guess this most likely means Gen6 is on the horizon, but it's also possible that Glock is doing something new with their "format" entirely, or maybe both.

Could be an iterative thing. Possibly these are changes they'd already made in a looming Gen 6 and decided to just roll some of them into the tail end of Gen 5 production to get ahead of lawsuits. They killed off a bunch of SKUs earlier this year, quite possibly because they didn't want to make iterative changes to all of those for less than a calendar year, and pared it down to just the biggest selling models. Likely enough, the condensed model line has been in production with the updates for months now. California's law probably had zero to do with it, honestly, it just timed out that way.

Agreed. I think there is a high probability that these mods were planned for Gen6 anyway. But the total lack of MOS V models is what makes me think that Glock is releasing Gen6 sooner than the pessimists think and/or changing up their optics platform significantly. The MOS models are the hottest right now, so I can’t think of any other reason why they’re unavailable in the V lineup. As Lenny pointed out in his video, contrary to what some originally suspected, there’s no technical limitation to cutting the slides.

So, the differences appear to be:

Slide and frame (of course)

Trigger housing (maybe?)

Striker

Cover plate

As best I can tell so far, that's it.