Glock hates Lenny so much, lol. This surely didn't earn him any good feelings.

Maybe Glock could bring their rotating barrel design here to the states.

Used 19’s and 26’s will $600-$700 in the next few months. I don want a .45 in G19 size.

The assumption seems to be that the trigger system of the new models will be inferior in some respect. That may be so, but it remains to be seen. It's just as likely that the new trigger system may be an improvement, or perhaps make no appreciable difference in how the trigger feels and how the pistol shoots.

If the new trigger is, as reported, a variation on the Glock Performance Trigger, the trigger may be easier to master than the current system with the partially-cocked striker.

I shouldn't be surprised, really, at all these comments about how Glock has really screwed up. As the saying goes, opinions are like assholes- everybody has one.

These impractical switches have been around for years and we don't know long Glock has been kicking around the idea of implementing these changes. The California ban was only recently announced. Do people think that Glock made the decision to make these engineering changes in such a short period of time, and then implemented those changes almost as quickly?

Over the past forty years, Glock has caused radical changes to pistol design. Few manufacturers of self-loading pistols fail to offer polymer-framed, striker-fired designs. Glock tends to be quite conservative in making changes and has made few mistakes along the way, and yet, we doubt them now? So many experts out there. So many.

Given their track record, I'll take the radical approach of waiting to see what Glock has come up with before fully forming an opinion. We may end up being pleasantly surprised. Of course, this will be no hindrance to those who just want to posture and bitch.

However, it's all academic for me. I own twenty-one Glocks; G19s alone, I own a half-dozen. I don't see myself purchasing any more of them. I also don't see exorbitant prices, at least not in the long-term. The supply is enormous and the market is self-correcting. My only concern is the possibility of a future scarcity of pre-V OEM parts, but from what I hear, this is unlikely, especially since there appears to be a great commonality of V and gen5 parts.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Do people think that Glock made the decision to make these engineering changes in such a short period of time, and then implemented those changes almost as quickly?

It's rumored that Gen6 will be released around this time next year. I find it odd that Glock is releasing a US-market-only V Series rather than perhaps pushing up the release of Gen6 by a few months. I imagine whatever trigger changes in the V Series will be carried over to Gen6, b/c if not, no one will want a V Series that is incompatible w/ any of the other generations.

It appears likely the V Series is a Gen5 w/ slightly modified GPT and slide to prevent installation of switches. If Glock wanted to throw together the V Series in a hurry, it wouldn't have been difficult. While I agree that would be uncharacteristic of Glock, I don't know what goes on behind the scenes and what their legal time might have motivated them to do. I don't think we'd have a V Series at all if it weren't for the numerous lawsuits.

The 5-V-6 program is going to generate so many short run model variations that the Glock collectors will have a field day.
The whole concept of a Glock collection just boggles my mind.

If Glock is really chasing the “cocked and unlocked” trigger pull of the P320 and other striker fired guns, I think it will hurt them. They were really big on that whole “safe action” marketing and pushing their guns to be designated as double action.

I can’t help but thinking, after the P320 fiasco, a lot of folks. Military. LE administrators are gonna be a little wary of that.

Unless they drop a properly functioning and well designed manual safety on them (cough…like a 1911). And, I’m pretty sure they’re not going to do that.

It's been a while since I was on Glock's website. When did they divide commercial firearms and law enforcement firearms under the products menu?

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:
If Glock is really chasing the “cocked and unlocked” trigger pull of the P320 and other striker fired guns, I think it will hurt them. They were really big on that whole “safe action” marketing and pushing their guns to be designated as double action.

I can’t help but thinking, after the P320 fiasco, a lot of folks. Military. LE administrators are gonna be a little wary of that.

Unless they drop a properly functioning and well designed manual safety on them (cough…like a 1911). And, I’m pretty sure they’re not going to do that.

Then, you must think that any Glock with the GPT installed is "unsafe" and requires a manual safety. Why you would compare any of this with the P320's problems is beyond me. There's one significant difference between the P320 and any Glock you might compare it to, and let me point out once again that at this point, almost everything with the V system is hearsay, but many of you guys have decided you've got it all figured out, including the future, and that's remarkable.

As soon as pistols start getting into the hands of the public, there will be fifty videos on youtube with the internals under an electron microscope.

I have faith in Glock and I'll reiterate that they are not going to just slap something together in two months. I feel this has been a concept for some time now, at least as a contingency. These silly switches, so loved by the mindless thug garbage plaguing our society have been around for years, and not a single one of those fools can hit the broad side of a crack house, with any firearm in any configuration.

Six months from now, some shooters may be saying that they don't want any other Glocks but the V system, and if the whole thing turns out to be a disaster, there will be plenty of time to bitch and say "I knew it."

I love the GPT. I've had it in my duty gun since it first came out and have been slowly putting them in the rest of my compatible Glocks.

If the new V trigger feels anything like the GPT, I'd say that's a plus

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Originally posted by iron chef:
It's rumored that Gen6 will be released around this time next year. I find it odd that Glock is releasing a US-market-only V Series rather than perhaps pushing up the release of Gen6 by a few months.

And this thought process may explain the lack of MOS guns being released in the popular 9mm models.

It's not unusual for manufacturing designers and engineers to have designs in the safe, sometimes for years, until the public is ready for them. California was probably just the push to bring the V to market.

If this means they are hoping to add some guns to the damned roster, I’m interested.

You guys need to tell me where you shop.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I poured my Corn Flakes into a bowl this morning and a G19 fell out of the box.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Hipoint is American made. And probably can be bought with EBT.

Does the "V" mean verbessern?
I would think improvement is constant theme.

My quess is some g46 features, take down lever, striker.


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Originally posted by Jupiter:
It's been a while since I was on Glock's website. When did they divide commercial firearms and law enforcement firearms under the products menu?

I can’t remember when the website redesign took place, but the lineup is still no more “divided” between those two categories than it was before the website redesign. The Gen4 models have been marked “Law Enforcement Only” for ages because they have only really even remained in production to fulfill the remaining LE contracts that mention them by name. However, there has never been anything legally preventing them from being sold commercially as well. The only Glocks that are illegal in the US commercial market to date are the G18, G18C, Austrian-made G25, and Austrian-made G28.

We still have yet to see if/how the V will change things on that front.

The current models sold to LE are the same pistols sold to the commercial market. I would hate to see that change in any way.
As Sgt 127 pointed out, some agencies might not be too enthused about a version of a GPT. In its current form, it doesn't have a great track record when it comes to maintenance. The safe action trigger on the other hand has proven to be safe, reliable and durable with extremely low maintenance. Everything you could ask for in a hard use handgun. I would not be surprised if they continue to offer it as an option to LE and the military, even in newer generations.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
The current models sold to LE are the same pistols sold to the commercial market. I would hate to see that change in any way.
As Sgt 127 pointed out, some agencies might not be too enthused about a version of a GPT. In its current form, it doesn't have a great track record when it comes to maintenance.

That's true, and a good point:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...260000515#5260000515

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Originally posted by parabellum:
...check out Glock's GPT Insert Sheet

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To ensure optimal performance, GLOCK recommends lubrication using a quality CLP oil or equivalent prior to first use, and before and after each subsequent use of the GLOCK Performance Trigger. When the trigger is not used on a regular basis, but is a part of your everyday carry, lubrication should be applied every three months.

Before and after each use, and every three months!

All of this is to say that you'll just have to try it for yourself, but I can tell you that right now, I don't have the GPT installed in my primary carry gun. I know what works very well for me, and that's the stock Glock trigger.

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Originally posted by iron chef:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Do people think that Glock made the decision to make these engineering changes in such a short period of time, and then implemented those changes almost as quickly?

It's rumored that Gen6 will be released around this time next year. I find it odd that Glock is releasing a US-market-only V Series rather than perhaps pushing up the release of Gen6 by a few months. I imagine whatever trigger changes in the V Series will be carried over to Gen6, b/c if not, no one will want a V Series that is incompatible w/ any of the other generations.

It appears likely the V Series is a Gen5 w/ slightly modified GPT and slide to prevent installation of switches. If Glock wanted to throw together the V Series in a hurry, it wouldn't have been difficult. While I agree that would be uncharacteristic of Glock, I don't know what goes on behind the scenes and what their legal time might have motivated them to do. I don't think we'd have a V Series at all if it weren't for the numerous lawsuits.

I suspect we'll see whatever is coming at NRAAM 2026. If it was close enough to debut at SHOT, we'd probably not have this V series thing.

I also suspect that the lack of MOS models indicates a new optic mounting system and Glock either not wanting to move the MOS forward to the new guns or it's somehow incompatible.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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To ensure optimal performance, GLOCK recommends lubrication using a quality CLP oil or equivalent prior to first use, and before and after each subsequent use of the GLOCK Performance Trigger. When the trigger is not used on a regular basis, but is a part of your everyday carry, lubrication should be applied every three months.

Before and after each use, and every three months!

All of this is to say that you'll just have to try it for yourself, but I can tell you that right now, I don't have the GPT installed in my primary carry gun. I know what works very well for me, and that's the stock Glock trigger.

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I don’t know how many thousands of rounds through my G-21, G-19, G-17, G-34 and G-43X…
Without hesitation, probably hovering well over 100,000.

Narry a problem from a stock, out of the box, standard Glock Trigger.
Yeah, they all have the $.50 trigger job, and I beat the hell out of ‘em, as they are either duty or EDC guns. I’ll clean them every couple hundred rounds.

I was looking at the GPT a few years back, and after one of my range guys pointed out the “lubricant” thing, I said “aww hell no!” to the GPT.

With the new “V” series, I don’t think there’s going to be any difference in the trigger or trigger mechanism, I think it’s just the internals of the slide. But then again, until Glock actually shows us, we’re not going to be sure.