Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread. Does this happen with ammunition other than the Independence? If I understand correctly, you are experiencing these stoppages with more than one pistol and with multiple magazines.

If so, it's the ammunition. I hope you don't have a lot of it.

Thanks. Yes, it's happened w/ 2-3 different mags (lost track, but at least 2 mags) and in both a 26 and a 19. It does seem like the ammo although I've used it before w/o issue. It's the only reason I bought some quantity of it.

I don't have any other plinking JHP. I have some Gold Dot; will try a mag or two of that. I'll try some FMJ as well but I'm sure that will be fine.

I may have to start reloading sooner than anticipated. Bugger.

Hope to find a solution because I'm stuck w/ a bit of it. Worst case, I wonder if I can just replace the bullet; that would also be a pain though.

I hope it's just this particular lot. I'm hoping to someday buy a VP9 if it every reaches the shelves here - it's on the roster now but still not being manufactured (not sure how that works). Assuming that the VP9 would not be susceptible to this as the glocks are.

Okay - not good.

I put about 500 rounds through a 19 and a 26, using a mix of the suspect JHP rounds and accepted brand FMJ.

1. Fail to feed much more prevalent on the 26 than the 19. I think it only failed once or twice on the 19 (which is still not acceptable to me but ignoring for now); it happened with the same mags only; not other mags.

2. Failure rate on the 26 with the suspect rounds is about 30-40% - every mag (I tested about 10 mags), at least one or two rounds. No failures with FMJ. Not sure but it seems some of the mags were more prone to failure than others.

3. Failures on the 26 only with 10 round 9mm3 19 mags. No failures w/ the suspect rounds using 26 mags.

4. BAD BAD BAD - failure happened with Gold Dot as well. Two rounds out of twenty.

For now, the 26 is out of rotation until I can figure out what's going on. I think the recoil spring is new-ish, maybe it's too strong and needs more use? The JHP is bad? The mags are bad (9mm3 follower?)? Some combination of the above working together?

Sigh. Maybe I can meet up with someone and try the suspect rounds in a different gun, glock or other make.

ETA: If it helps, the JHP is getting stuck on at the bottom of the feed ramp. It looks like the lower part of the nose is getting jammed on the bottom edge of the feed ramp. Some part below the tip of the nose as it's feeding - can't see exactly.

I stripped the gun and the mags - I can't see obvious issues with either.

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You are not getting any malfunctions with the G26 using the G26 mags with the proper 9mm6 followers, yet you are getting them with the 9mm3 ten rounders.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned to ditch the california mag followers all together and go with standard cap 9mm6.

I need to double check what followers are in the standard 26 mags. But no failures there.

Failures only with the 10 round mags with the 9mm3 followers.

I thought the 9mm3 were good to go in the 10 round 19 mags. No? The best solution is the standard cap follower (9mm 6?) and trim some plastic on the 10 round mag?

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Originally posted by konata88:
I need to double check what followers are in the standard 26 mags. But no failures there.

Failures only with the 10 round mags with the 9mm3 followers.

I thought the 9mm3 were good to go in the 10 round 19 mags. No? The best solution is the standard cap follower (9mm 6?) and trim some plastic on the 10 round mag?

factory G26 followers are the same as non restricted mags. Best solution (that is if it is a mag related issue) is to convert to 9mm6, or use non restricted magazines.

Ok will try to get some 9mm6/7 followers.

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Originally posted by dsiets:
You're putting pinky pressure on the extended mag out the bottom of the 26.
Any mags that extend out the bottom, you have to focus on just the 2 grip fingers.
That's why I like the X-grip sleeve extensions for the 26. Their form and function prevent this by "mating" w/ the back of the grip to prevent overt backwards pressure on the mag.

This was my initial thought, as well. Did you try shooting with the pinky completely off the mag to avoid any pressure? Might not be an issue as I use my freedom week mags (Glock 33rd mags, Magpul 21rd mags) in my Glock 26 and apply pressure with my pinky normal as any other mag and never have any issues with it. During freedom week I took the ext off my Glock 33rd mags and put them on my Glock 26 mags for a 12rd mag, much better than stock or Pearce ext.

Did the stoppages occur with both your Gen 2 and Gen 3 G19?

Give me a shout when you plan to go out gain and I'll bring some different ammo and my G34 (only 9mm Glock I have left)

I can also bring out some Magpul mags to try

I usually use 2 finger grip for the 26 and even the 19. The pinky is on the grip largely academically. I was especially conscious here.

9mmE: Only tried Gen 3. Email coming.

Question: I see that Magpul has glock mag offerings. Will their 10 round mags have the same issue as the glock 19 10 round mags? Or do they avoid the issue somehow?

What's the general opinion on the magpul mags? Good enough for range use?

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Originally posted by konata88:
Question: I see that Magpul has glock mag offerings. Will their 10 round mags have the same issue as the glock 19 10 round mags? Or do they avoid the issue somehow?

What's the general opinion on the magpul mags? Good enough for range use?

I can't answer the first question but magpul mags are generally pretty good.
My Gen5 26 was having feeding problems in the first few hundred rounds w/ soft ammo so I put the magpul mags (pmag g12) aside until later range sessions and they've been perfect since.
My first concern was they had no metal lining at the top where the round feeds from. Not a concern anymore.

I’ve only somewhere between 100-200 rounds through my Glock Pmags and they’ve always fed reliably. Only weird thing, and I don’t know if it’s mag related, but I seem to get weird ejections when using the Pmags. Swear one time the shell ejected left somehow. It literally went up and over to the left in a slight arc and didn’t eject very far. My G26 mags (5) and Glock fun sticks (3) all eject normal everytime.

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Originally posted by SigSauerP226: Only weird thing, and I don’t know if it’s mag related, but I seem to get weird ejections when using the Pmags. Swear one time the shell ejected left somehow. It literally went up and over to the left in a slight arc and didn’t eject very far. My G26 mags (5) and Glock fun sticks (3) all eject normal everytime.

That's not specifically mag related. It has to do with the ejector of the Glock not having sufficient purchase on the rim of the case

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Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:

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Originally posted by SigSauerP226: Only weird thing, and I don’t know if it’s mag related, but I seem to get weird ejections when using the Pmags. Swear one time the shell ejected left somehow. It literally went up and over to the left in a slight arc and didn’t eject very far. My G26 mags (5) and Glock fun sticks (3) all eject normal everytime.

That's not specifically mag related. It has to do with the ejector of the Glock not having sufficient purchase on the rim of the case

I wouldn’t think it’s related. It why does it only happen with the Magpul mags?? I very much remember thinking it clicking be a mag issue but then I throw Glock mags in it and it corrects completely. I’m far from and expert but all the reading I did I couldn’t figure it out.

You said it’s been a year or more since you’ve been shooting. Could it be possible you used a cleaning or lubrication product that has gummed up slightly? Have you tried a detailed cleaning top to bottom, making sure the extractor moves freely, the RSA isn’t hanging up, the mags don’t have some gunk in them etc.

I realize it’s a simple thing and probably not a likely root cause (especially after only a year) but the first thing I check when I do any kind of tech support is whether or not “it’s plugged in” and go from there.

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Could it be possible you used a cleaning or lubrication product that has gummed up slightly? Have you tried a detailed cleaning top to bottom, making sure the extractor moves freely, the RSA isn’t hanging up, the mags don’t have some gunk in them etc.

Don’t forget lube in the firing pin channel…there shouldn’t be any.
(Even though EVERY Glock I own was lubed up like a Saigon whore from the factory)
One reason that I threw away all my Tetra gun oil, grease, ALL of it. Stuff gummed up like crazy.

Okay, I tested some magpul 10 round mags. Looking quickly, I'm guessing it's similar to a stock mag with the 9mm6/7 follower; just block to 10 rounds inside somehow.

No failures after 180 rounds. At least no fail to feed. I had a one fail to go completely into battery; nudged the slide into battery.

At I tested the glock mags first w/ rounds from the same box. Got a failure in the first mag.

So, seems like the magpul mags are actually better in this context.

How are the magpul mags perceived. I know they are the go-to for rifle mags. But for glocks, are they proven? Do people use them for carry or just for the range? I am not at all familiar w/ them.

Still pending - testing w/ 10 round glock mags w/ the 9mm6/7 follower (trimming the mag as needed).

For now, seems like that magpul mags might do the trick. And if so, shame on Glock.

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How are the magpul mags perceived. I know they are the go-to for rifle mags. But for glocks, are they proven? Do people use them for carry or just for the range? I am not at all familiar w/ them.

I really like them, they just feel better in the hand and I think they give me smoother reloads.

They have been flawless in my G34 and Ruger PC Carbine...I can't speck to carry, as I don't use a Glock for CCW

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They have been flawless in my G34 and Ruger PC Carbine...I can't speck to carry, as I don't use a Glock for CCW

Okay, seems like good for range use, maybe competitions.

I'll try to do some research on public sentiment but would trust any first hand experience here over the interwebz.