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Originally posted by SgtGold:
As to shooters who are being raised and trained on handguns with no back up sights, this strikes me as a very bad move. If it's a gamer gun that's only going to see range time, who cares? As a self defense tool you have to be crazy to trust your life to a battery powered sight as your only aiming device.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
As to shooters who are being raised and trained on handguns with no back up sights, this strikes me as a very bad move. If it's a gamer gun that's only going to see range time, who cares? As a self defense tool you have to be crazy to trust your life to a battery powered sight as your only aiming device.

I remember watching one of the Active Self Protection videos where John Correia didn't have a set of backup iron sights on his P30. He said he might not even put them on because he could just center the target in the window of his optic like somehow, someway, it was just as good as having a real set of backup iron sights. As someone who should know the importance of being accountable for every shot, I thought it was a strange statement. I can certainly understand the need under certain limited circumstances but if my dot wasn't working, I would be transitioning to my usable set of iron sights as soon as possible.

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Originally posted by cslinger:


That said, I’ve thought about this and if MY dot went down during a serious social event I don’t think I (personally) would have the presence of mind/time to move to irons. Chances are I am using that glass like a big ass Ghost Ring/indexing off the slide. I’ve shot just “through the glass” and out to 8 yards or so it’s passable. Again this is not some you don’t need back up irons argument just a more introspective look at my capabilities/ability to transition if need be.

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Some folks slap dots on their pistols and never train with the iron sights thinking just having them is good enough in an emergency.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
As to shooters who are being raised and trained on handguns with no back up sights, this strikes me as a very bad move. If it's a gamer gun that's only going to see range time, who cares? As a self defense tool you have to be crazy to trust your life to a battery powered sight as your only aiming device.

I remember watching one of the Active Self Protection videos where John Correia didn't have a set of backup iron sights on his P30. He said he might not even put them on because he could just center the target in the window of his optic like somehow, someway, it was just as good as having a real set of backup iron sights. As someone who should know the importance of being accountable for every shot, I thought it was a strange statement. I can certainly understand the need under certain limited circumstances but if my dot wasn't working, I would be transitioning to my usable set of iron sights as soon as possible.

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Originally posted by cslinger:

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Some folks slap dots on their pistols and never train with the iron sights thinking just having them is good enough in an emergency.

Agreed and one should always be proficient with the irons. My only point was that for myself personally, while I am incredibly comfortable with irons I doubt I would have the time or mental capacity to transition in an oh shit moment. Now if distance or cover is at play then absolutely but in a clear kydex dot no worky worky moment I doubt I, personally would be able to seemlessly transition to irons. I mean between my lack of skill, no innate talent and the fact I will probably screaming like a little girl (it's my battle cry, don't judge me ) My brain and eyes will be relying on raw fundamentals unless I am in a place that allows me a hot second to more calmly look for my backups.

Again, I am only speaking for me and my personal skillset. I am sure most folks are vastly more equipped for handling this then I. Like I said I try to be honest with myself......well at least with this.....ok, pretty much just this.....anyhoo

Once again, none of this is a disagreement. I think folks should have back up irons. I think folks should train with them as well as occluded dots, for dot failure etc. I just am being honest with myself and only myself that chances are I am going with fundamentals and a big ass ghost ring.