What's with all this "SAO with an exposed hammer isn't safe!" silliness?

The fear of a cocked hammer is based on ignorance of how a gun works. Yes a cocked hammer on a revolver with a light SA pull is not "safe", but SA Semi-Autos are not revolvers. Yes they have safeties, but a properly designed frame safety that disengages intuitively with a high thumbs firing grip is fine.

The cocked striker on an M&P or P320 is no safer than a cocked hammer. It is held in place by a sear, and has a firing pin block. However the sear/striker interface has to be rather large to compensate for slide to frame fit, looseness and play, which usually makes for a crappy trigger pull. Hammer fired guns do not have this issue and can be toleranced much tighter for a better trigger pull.

Funny, but after more than 100 years of military and LE carrying the 1911, and more than 75 years of the Hi Power, I do not recall a lot of discussions of "1911 leg" or "Hi Power leg" or ND's during takedown as we have with Glocks.

Striker guns are popular because they are cheaper and easier to make, simpler in design (fewer parts), and reliable. They also offer higher margins to the manufacturer. But they also have heavier recoil springs.

I bought a P238 Legion on a whim when they were being blown out after Sig discontinued them. And damn it's a good shooting gun. Accurate, easy recoil, and lightly spring slide for people that need that.

As for this M&P, I have been asking for a while for someone to make an updated 1911-ish 9mm gun with better feed geometry, ramped barrel, no swinging link, Sig style barrel chamber locking vs. multiple lugs, decent capacity, and non-stupid price. The Wilson EDC in "Commander" size is nice, but I'm not going to carry a $3000 gun every day.

CSX = Chief's Special Genderless?

Agreed. I like the looks of the gun and I believe the intent with the trigger is to replace the 1911 grip safety. If the trigger is anything like the new M&P 2.0 Shield's, which I consider the best of all factory striker fired pistols, then I'll probably snag the CSX.

It also helps I dislike all polymer framed guns, except for my Steyr M9-A1.

So it's essentially a knockoff of the Sig P938

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
So it's essentially a knockoff of the Sig P938

It's a twelve shot gun the size of the Shield Plus.

I mean in a world where everyone owns a Glock looks aren't that important.

I'm happy it does not have an optic cut or accessory rail.

A new hammer fired gun with metal frame is kind of nice actually.

I definitely don't like the way the trigger looks but maybe it feels nice I'd have to see in person.

I like my 938…. If it’s cost conscience, I’ll buy one. That means it will flop. At least they’re still trying.

Looks like a Sigma and aN old Llama or Balister Molina got drunk on New Years and this is the product of a one night stand. Barf.

I actually don't mind the aesthetics...I mean, it's no 1911, but it's not supposed to be. It looks like a nice minimalist, slim design, has contours in all the right places, and looks like it would be comfortable in the hand. I like the textured front strap, and the modular backstraps looks like it could work if it's done right...no knowing for sure until holding one, though. The Beavertail could be about 1/2-3/4" shorter...would help with concealment.

My only real beef with the concept is that I have no use for an SAO carry gun. They need to offer this in DA/SA with a decocker instead of the manual safety, and lose the trigger dingus.

I kinda like it. Not sure if I’ll buy one. It’s nice to see a new release that’s not the same old polymer framed striker fired pistol that’s currently in vogue.

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Originally posted by Fredward:
They'd do better to bring back to CS9. That was a great gun.

Or better yet the 3913

A few of these guns are already showing up on a big auction site.

At least Smith can't be accused of teasing a gun that they might get around to building in ten months or more.


I certainly don't need one. I do want to shoot one though.


It's not a looker but then how many of the newest guns are?

I got an email from Shoot Point Blank and they have them in stock for $599. About half a dozen You Tube videos showed up this morning too.

Based on the review videos that dropped on the Youtubes this morning, the CSX is a bit smaller than I was expecting. It's P365 sized. (And only 1.7 oz heavier, despite the metal frame.)

The guy in the original "leaked" photo must have little hands.

I’m not sure what to think of it. Looks like the old star fire star pistol to me. I liked that gun.

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Originally posted by ruger357:
Looks like the old star fire star pistol to me.

Maybe. Kinda. If you squint enough.

I like the looks of it. Kind of reminded me of the Wilson EDC X9 when I first saw it.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by ruger357:
Looks like the old star fire star pistol to me.

Maybe. Kinda. If you squint enough.

I had FireStar. Compact, but heavy,heavy, heavy.

I like the concept. As others stated, much smaller than I expected.
2 things I dislike

The funky shape of the trigger. The trigger looks half formed.

Higher price than what I figured MSRP would be. I was thinking $450 range.

Interesting range report about magazine issues.
https://thearmories.com/the-armories-media

Well /\/\ THAT range report sure sounded like a solid "meh...."

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Originally posted by techguy:
I like the looks of it. Kind of reminded me of the Wilson EDC X9 when I first saw it.

I agree, I have the EDC X9S (no rail) and it looks a lot like it. Micro compact 9mm SAO. Not a huge market to satisfy there. The advantage is S&W CSX is a heck of a lot more affordable than the Wilson X9S!