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Ben Stoeger is a joke as a source of information. He is bought and paid for. If it makes him money or clicks he will say it.

Any reasonable person who isn’t determined to prove how dangerous the 320 is knew that Air Force story was crazy far fetched. How many of us pointed that out? The Air Force was retarded to act without even basic fact finding.

This is a witch hunt. These things aren’t “just going off”. If they are then prove it. Which nobody can.

Glock must be loving this shitshow.

But back to my point, fuck Ben Stoeger and his clickbait bullshit story telling. I wouldn’t buy anything from this asshole if he was the last source on earth. It’s your money though.

He used the term “Sigcident”. What a grand standing asshole. Personally, my opinion only, I wish you guys would stop posting his bs. Just my 2 cents.

Edit: I say witch-hunt in terms of people saying these are going off without input directly to the trigger. Would I carry these at this point? Nope and I wouldn’t issue them either. There are better choices but all these videos and “tests” are nonsense. Take any of these incident guns and recreate the event without touching the trigger. Has yet to be done and I doubt it will. Bruce is right. And, since I’m on a rant anyway, I’m surprised more of you guys didn’t call out that Air Force story as highly if not astronomically full of shit. It sounded like bs from day one and most of you guys were silent about its ridiculously unlikely nature. With this kind of gullibility I’m going to buy an EV today to save the ozone layer. Fuck. And lol. (sarcasm)
 
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Ben Stoeger is a joke as a source of information. He is bought and paid for. If it makes him money or clicks he will say it.



I don't think he is bought and paid for. He is notorious for bashing any product if he doesn't like it. The companies that send him products know they are taking a chance if they are expecting a positive review. Can he be an A-Hole? Absolutely. Does he like drama? Yes he does. A little too much, IMO.


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Glock COA civilian sales is cancelled right now as they are filling lots and lots of Police and possibly military sales. The Glock Store put out a video yesterday. I also know of a few departments that are in the process of making the switch from Sig 320 to Glock 19, 17, 45, or 47. Most were going with MOS pistols and some upgrading to COA. I am waiting to see if my officer order through GT Distributors for G48 COA is cancelled or how delayed it is going to be.
 
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They're talking about after disassembly/reassembly. When the takedown lever is rotated down, the takedown safety lever protrudes in to the magwell and blocks the insertion of a mag (if there's a mag already in there, you can't rotate the takedown lever). After reassembly when the takedown lever has been rotated back into the "assembled" position, you either have to lock the slide to the rear or at least move the slide catch upward to release the takedown safety lever and allow it to move forward and clear the magwell.


Can you simplify that into practical actions? I remain somewhat confused about sear perch.

Assuming the correct parts are in the gun but it is reassembled incorrectly to create the sear perch, will that unsafe condition be cleared by racking the slide?

Example, after I clean my guns and reassemble them, I always rack the slide several times to ensure everything feels normal, and then I dry fire it once before loading it.
 
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Glock COA civilian sales is cancelled right now as they are filling lots and lots of Police and possibly military sales. The Glock Store put out a video yesterday. I also know of a few departments that are in the process of making the switch from Sig 320 to Glock 19, 17, 45, or 47. Most were going with MOS pistols and some upgrading to COA. I am waiting to see if my officer order through GT Distributors for G48 COA is cancelled or how delayed it is going to be.



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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jsbcody:
Glock COA civilian sales is cancelled right now as they are filling lots and lots of Police and possibly military sales. The Glock Store put out a video yesterday. I also know of a few departments that are in the process of making the switch from Sig 320 to Glock 19, 17, 45, or 47. Most were going with MOS pistols and some upgrading to COA. I am waiting to see if my officer order through GT Distributors for G48 COA is cancelled or how delayed it is going to be.


The Glock Store video is pure conjecture by Mr. McGill. There has been a pause in the shipment of commercial COA models in order to catch up on outstanding LE orders.
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jsbcody:
Glock COA civilian sales is cancelled right now as they are filling lots and lots of Police and possibly military sales. The Glock Store put out a video yesterday. I also know of a few departments that are in the process of making the switch from Sig 320 to Glock 19, 17, 45, or 47. Most were going with MOS pistols and some upgrading to COA. I am waiting to see if my officer order through GT Distributors for G48 COA is cancelled or how delayed it is going to be.


The Glock Store video is pure conjecture by Mr. McGill. There has been a pause in the shipment of commercial COA models in order to catch up on outstanding LE orders.


Maybe you need to read the post on the Glock Store video by the Glock Store:

"Breaking Update: Our distributors have been informed that Glock will not fulfill any Purchase Orders for COA models for at least the next TWO YEARS."

Not conjecture if it is coming from the distributors. Here is the notification from GT Distributors:

GLOCK COA ANNOUNCEMENT Due to recent events and Federal and Law Enforcement contracts, Glock is shifting its focus to fulfilling law enforcement agency contracts through law enforcement distribution. "Currently, we will no longer be accepting any new blue label IOP or commercial orders. We are working directly with Glock to determine if and when previously placed IOP orders in-house will be fulfilled. At present we do not have any info regarding ETA or lead times for these orders and we do not expect to see any in 2025. We will be refunding any payments already received. If you leave your order open we will contact you when they come in. All commercial market COA model orders will be cancelled and refunded. Non-COA guns are not impacted by this. We are accepting new agency orders only at this time. Currently Glock is quoting an average lead time of 180 days, and we do not have any further information to clarify ETA or lead times."

I have been advised that my G48 COA order payment will be refunded. Seems to be a bit more than a pause.
 
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Maybe you need to read the post on the Glock Store video by the Glock Store:

"Breaking Update: Our distributors have been informed that Glock will not fulfill any Purchase Orders for COA models for at least the next TWO YEARS."

Again, this is simply not true. There has been a pause in delivery of commercial COA models. 180 days is a worst case scenario for LE drop ship orders placed in the next week or so. I think the boss could weigh in here and stipulate that I am reliable source of information as it pertains to Glock.
 
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Glock COA civilian sales is cancelled right now as they are filling lots and lots of Police and possibly military sales. The Glock Store put out a video yesterday. I also know of a few departments that are in the process of making the switch from Sig 320 to Glock 19, 17, 45, or 47. Most were going with MOS pistols and some upgrading to COA. I am waiting to see if my officer order through GT Distributors for G48 COA is cancelled or how delayed it is going to be.



Cool...so we'll be back to a lot of ND's while attempting to clean the guns.


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Originally posted by 92fstech:

They're talking about after disassembly/reassembly. When the takedown lever is rotated down, the takedown safety lever protrudes in to the magwell and blocks the insertion of a mag (if there's a mag already in there, you can't rotate the takedown lever). After reassembly when the takedown lever has been rotated back into the "assembled" position, you either have to lock the slide to the rear or at least move the slide catch upward to release the takedown safety lever and allow it to move forward and clear the magwell.


Can you simplify that into practical actions? I remain somewhat confused about sear perch.

Assuming the correct parts are in the gun but it is reassembled incorrectly to create the sear perch, will that unsafe condition be cleared by racking the slide?

Example, after I clean my guns and reassemble them, I always rack the slide several times to ensure everything feels normal, and then I dry fire it once before loading it.


EDITED: Disregard my response here...I just did a little testing and determined that what I typed was not completely accurate. I'll do a little more experimenting and respond more fully when I have time. I'll try to get some pictures, too.


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Glock must be loving this shitshow.



What’s that saying?
“Nature abhors a void”…

Yeah, Glock, S&W, Ruger, CZ, H&K are all going to make money off of Sig Sauer’s P320.
Glock probably making the most money, as they are probably the most popular.
(And the “You will buy a Glock” thread.)


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Maybe you need to read the post on the Glock Store video by the Glock Store:

"Breaking Update: Our distributors have been informed that Glock will not fulfill any Purchase Orders for COA models for at least the next TWO YEARS."

Again, this is simply not true. There has been a pause in delivery of commercial COA models. 180 days is a worst case scenario for LE drop ship orders placed in the next week or so. I think the boss could weigh in here and stipulate that I am reliable source of information as it pertains to Glock.


You've just demonstrated you're not a reliable source of information from those 2 posts, or maybe I'm reading them wrong. Not likely. If it's partly true it's not pure conjecture. Those 2 statements can't be true at the same time.

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You've just demonstrated you're not a reliable source of information from those 2 posts, or maybe I'm reading them wrong. Not likely. If it's partly true it's not pure conjecture. Those 2 statements can't be true at the same.

To clarify, commercial Glock COA pistol orders have been cancelled. Saying that no COA guns will be shipped for "TWO YEARS" is complete speculation by The Glock Store. That is not information that was provided to the distributors and is likely being thrown out there by The Glock Store to stimulate sales. Any LE agency drop ship orders will take between 120-180 days.
 
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You've just demonstrated you're not a reliable source of information from those 2 posts, or maybe I'm reading them wrong.
No matter how you're interpreting those posts, I assure that he's a highly reliable source. You'll just have to trust me on this.
 
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I don't think he is bought and paid for.[/QUOTE]

You apparently don't understand how YT monetization works.
He's a money grubbing arrogant ho.


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You apparently don't understand how YT monetization works.
He's a money grubbing arrogant ho.


Oh yea. He is getting filthy rich from that YouTube channel.

He just might quit his real job so he can get to 100k subscribers some day. Big Grin


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For the past several years, I have been keenly interested in the AD of the P320 series. AD are not unexpected with any striker fired weapon. When the Glock's first came out, I had a chance to "play" with two of them courtesy a friend who operated a police supply house. I was not impressed and told him that AD would happen, and they did. One deputy exited his cruiser to do an armed chase, drew his Glock and proceeded to put a round in his dash. Another shot out his windshield to great ribbing from the other deputies. I continued to carry my S&W M28 feeling safe with it.
In my family the Sig is what we carry and depend on them. Daughter has my M11-A1, Wife my P226 and the old man a P-220. The Glock is a cheap pistol and, in my opinion, not a good pistol. In the last 40 or so years I have owned several. The last was a 21 that I traded to one of our psychiatrists that I worked with at the clinic. One thing that I am unhappy about is how Sig has handled this PR mess and in very poor taste.
 
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Maybe you need to read the post on the Glock Store video by the Glock Store:

"Breaking Update: Our distributors have been informed that Glock will not fulfill any Purchase Orders for COA models for at least the next TWO YEARS."

Again, this is simply not true. There has been a pause in delivery of commercial COA models. 180 days is a worst case scenario for LE drop ship orders placed in the next week or so. I think the boss could weigh in here and stipulate that I am reliable source of information as it pertains to Glock.


So, basically without using the words, you imply that McGill is lying and he is doing so to profit.

That wouldn’t be the first time that happened. But, what you are implying has several holes in it.

How exactly DO YOU know that no Glock rep told McGill this, even if on the “down low” where he wasn’t authorized to? And the same way with various suppliers? How do you know the exact text of those conversations?

And the second part is the whole profit thing. I was in the Nashville store 2- 2.5 weeks ago and inquired about a COA 47. The employee said that they only had a couple of 19s and a few 43x. And they didn’t know when they would get more. Are they lying about that too? They actually are setting on mountains of COA guns to create hype and Jack up the prices. How exactly do you know what they have in stock? I mean if 4-5 guns is all they have (had) in stock, your profit claims certainly fall apart.

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Maybe you need to read the post on the Glock Store video by the Glock Store:

"Breaking Update: Our distributors have been informed that Glock will not fulfill any Purchase Orders for COA models for at least the next TWO YEARS."

Again, this is simply not true. There has been a pause in delivery of commercial COA models. 180 days is a worst case scenario for LE drop ship orders placed in the next week or so. I think the boss could weigh in here and stipulate that I am reliable source of information as it pertains to Glock.


So, basically without using the words, you imply that McGill is lying and he is doing so to profit.

That wouldn’t be the first time that happened. But, what you are implying has several holes in it.

How exactly DO YOU know that no Glock rep told McGill this, even if on the “down low” where he wasn’t authorized to? And the same way with various suppliers? How do you know the exact text of those conversations?

And the second part is the whole profit thing. I was in the Nashville store 2- 2.5 weeks ago and inquired about a COA 47. The employee said that they only had a couple of 19s and a few 43x. And they didn’t know when they would get more. Are they lying about that too? They actually are setting on mountains of COA guns to create hype and Jack up the prices. How exactly do you know what they have in stock? I mean if 4-5 guns is all they have (had) in stock, your profit claims certainly fall apart.

Thanks.


Mr. Jones, I know this because I am the Glock "rep". More precisely, I am the Regional Sales Manager for both LE and Commercial Sales, for the entire Eastern U.S., Canada and Puerto Rico. There is no stoppage of COA sales for "two years" as claimed. There are no current US military orders of any consequence for COA pistols. Agency drop ships are taking longer due to unprecedented demand,so as a cautionary measure, some agencies are being told that their delivery date may push out to 180 days from date of PO being issued.
 
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Originally posted by sw4566:for COA pistols. Agency drop ships are taking longer due to unprecedented demand,so as a cautionary measure, some agencies are being told that their delivery date may push out to 180 days from date of PO being issued.


I was at our area Glock LE dealer yesterday asking about ordering a COA gun. He told me Glock CANCELED all his outstanding orders. Not delayed or backordered. He said they canceled all of them so he has to start contacting officers and departments that wanted them.



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