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Originally posted by Fredward:
For all of you debating trigger pull weights, customized pistols, barrel weights, RMX sights, etc, I have news for you. Get a good quality service pistol with NO "enhancements," and learn to shoot it. A standard pistol, multiple magazines, and a couple of thousand rounds will do more for your skills than any thousand dollar plus pistol. Does the trigger have creep? It doesn't "break like glass?" Life's a bitch, honey. Practice makes perfect. When you find a gun you can actually shoot, buy several copies. Practice with all of them. When you can consistently hit your target, buy more ammo and hit it more often. Practice until you can consistently hit in the 10 ring at 50 yards. Then you can whine about accessories.

I don't mean to be offensive, but, IMHO, I see far too much focus on equipment and far too little on basics. Practice to save a life, not to make "Grand Master." Chess champions don't get mugged. And operators ain't on gun forums.

I do not disagree with you- for those whose work require it. Yet for those of us who love our guns; who have many varieties, and who take pride in taking the innards out, polishing them, changing them in other to creat a “more perfect” pistol and at the end of the day, are proud of it and want to share their handy-work with others in the hopes of inspiring those of like mind and perhaps, too, those of different mindsets...to them, er, to us your suggestions do not apply.

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at the end of the day, are proud of it

Not only that, a pistol that someone would be proud to be shot with.

Because some are such picky eaters.

I believe a couple days ago the OP commented in another thread how he liked his Wilson Combat Brigadier Tactical.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...870072534#6870072534

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I believe a couple days ago the OP commented in another thread how he liked his Wilson Combat Brigadier Tactical.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...870072534#6870072534

Busted....

Fred, you've got to get rid of that fancy pistol now, or come off the high horse.

Someone started drinking the eggnog a little early...

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I believe a couple days ago the OP commented in another thread how he liked his Wilson Combat Brigadier Tactical.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...870072534#6870072534

The Brig Tac is a stock gun, Wilson does NOT do work to it. Wilson provides a rear sight, recoil guide rod and G-10 grips, parts are provided to Beretta and Beretta adds the parts. The gun is made by Beretta, they are shipped to Wilson and they sell them. Most likely they don't even open the box when they come in from Beretta. Hate to burst a bubble here but it's really no better than a 92G Brigadier.

You can add an action tune for 100+ but it's not really needed.

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Originally posted by piedrarc:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I believe a couple days ago the OP commented in another thread how he liked his Wilson Combat Brigadier Tactical.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...870072534#6870072534

The Brig Tac is a stock gun, Wilson does NOT do work to it. Wilson provides a rear sight, recoil guide rod and G-10 grips, parts are provided to Beretta and Beretta adds the parts. The gun is made by Beretta, they are shipped to Wilson and they sell them. Most likely they don't even open the box when they come in from Beretta. Hate to burst a bubble here but it's really no better than a 92G Brigadier.

You can add an action tune for 100+ but it's not really needed.

I thought it had the D spring in it to lower trigger weight according to published specs? OP was ranting against such mods as changing trigger weight.

Not bursting my bubble as I don't own one.

https://www.wilsoncombat.com/b...-brigadier-tactical/

SPECIFICATIONS
M9A1 frame with 92A1 round trigger guard profile and improved checkering
Dehorned 92G Brigadier slide
Enhanced slide to frame fit
Trijicon tritium dovetail front sight
Stainless barrel with recessed crown, 4.7” Elite II length, black finish
Oversize steel magazine release
Steel de-cocking levers
Skeletonized Elite II hammer
D hammer spring <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lanyard loop pin
Lanyard loop, aluminum
Steel trigger
Wilson Combat rear u-notch battlesight
Wilson Combat fluted steel guide rod
G10 Dirty Olive grips with Wilson Combat logo medallion
Wilson Combat logo on slide
3 15rd M9A1 Beretta sand resistant magazines
9mm caliber only
G configuration ambidextrous decocker only
All steel components (decocker, trigger, magazine release, guide rod)
Checkered frontstrap and backstrap
Beveled magazine well
Rail for mounting light or laser
Special serial number range with WC prefix
IDPA Stock Service Pistol approved
USPSA Production Division approved

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Originally posted by grumpy1:

I thought it had the D spring in it to lower trigger weight according to published specs? OP was ranting against such mods.

Yes, it does. 16 lbs D spring vs 20 lbs standard weight hammer spring for the 92 series.

D spring is a stock part provided by Beretta. The Beretta Elite series of guns all come with "D" springs from the factory. I'm only pointing out the Wilson affiliation. They aren't worked on by Wilson.

Point being it's a STOCK gun.

Looks like OP did a "drop and run."

What do we call that again? Wait, I think I remember. Is that a troll?

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Originally posted by Fenris:
Buying an expensive gun may not make me a great shooter, but it doesn't make me a worse one either. And what business is it of anyone else how I spend my money.

I bought a 2017 Stingray because I like it, but I drive it like a grand-ma. You don't like it? Suck it up butter cup.

Right on, Fenris.

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Originally posted by piedrarc:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I believe a couple days ago the OP commented in another thread how he liked his Wilson Combat Brigadier Tactical.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...870072534#6870072534

The Brig Tac is a stock gun, Wilson does NOT do work to it.

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At $1,195, available exclusively from Wilson Combat, the shooter can have a new version of a gun going for the same price as a decade-old, used 92G SD pistol, but with fresh night sights, a sweeter trigger and Wilson Combat goodies installed.

Ref: Massad Ayoob Reviews the Beretta/Wilson Combat 92G Brigadier Tactical

$1200, eh? Seems pretty highfalutin to me. Certainly there are other DA/SA pistols out there for a lot less money that should enable someone to hit the ten-ring consistently at fifty yards, no?

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Originally posted by piedrarc:
D spring is a stock part provided by Beretta. The Beretta Elite series of guns all come with "D" springs from the factory. I'm only pointing out the Wilson affiliation. They aren't worked on by Wilson.

Point being it's a STOCK gun.

My Shadow 2 has a 2.5 S.A. trigger pull. It is a stock gun.

The bigger point is that there is zero difference if guns are made more shootable before they hit shelves or after. If Bill specd BrigTac with a D spring and somebody dropped 1200 on that gun, that somebody can't say that a dude who put the same spring into a $400 M9 is a whiny shortcutter who can't master a stock pistol.

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Originally posted by piedrarc:
D spring is a stock part provided by Beretta. The Beretta Elite series of guns all come with "D" springs from the factory. I'm only pointing out the Wilson affiliation. They aren't worked on by Wilson.

Point being it's a STOCK gun.

It’s a factory modded pistol. Other people tend to mod themselves and make their own versions for less money. Either way some big time hypocrite in this here thread. I see the same modification police step on their own dicks on my automobile and motorcycle forums. To them, nothing should be changed. Why people concern themselves with other people’s property escapes me. Worry about your own shit instead of others. Many of us have been jacking with pistols long enough to know it’s software AND hardware, both.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:

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Originally posted by piedrarc:
D spring is a stock part provided by Beretta. The Beretta Elite series of guns all come with "D" springs from the factory. I'm only pointing out the Wilson affiliation. They aren't worked on by Wilson.

Point being it's a STOCK gun.

It’s a factory modded pistol. Other people tend to mod themselves and make their own versions for less money. Either way some big time hypocrite in this here thread. I see the same modification police step on their own dicks on my automobile and motorcycle forums. To them, nothing should be changed. Why people concern themselves with other people’s property escapes me. Worry about your own shit instead of others. Many of us have been jacking with pistols long enough to know it’s software AND hardware, both.

Factory modded? IT'S A STOCK GUN!!! It's offered in ONE configuration new. Thats it!!!!

I just can't anymore... You guys can battle it out here on the internet, I'm hitting the range.

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Originally posted by piedrarc:
Factory modded? IT'S A STOCK GUN!!! It's offered in ONE configuration new. Thats it!!!!

I just can't anymore...

First, try decaf.

Secondly, this is the context:

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Originally posted by Fredward:
Get a good quality service pistol with NO "enhancements," and learn to shoot it.

The B Tac is not a "service pistol with NO enhancements."

It is clear Fred was insisting on bone stock standard models, that is implied, if not explicit.

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Originally posted by piedrarc:
I just can't anymore...

That's because your position, like that of the OP, is not tenable.

The pistol in question is clearly not a bone stock service pistol. Read the article I referenced and the comments by Bill Wilson, himself: "I wanted to do an ‘enhanced’ 92G SD."

If the OP is trying to say that a good shot can make the best of a stock pistol then I'd agree with him, and I think that it's, well, obvious.

OP is probably still passed out on the floor, with 6 empty bottles of wine coolers.

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Originally posted by 12131:
OP is probably still passed out on the floor, with 6 empty bottles of wine coolers.

Nah. Kentucky, man, not California. So I'm guessin' Beam