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Got your email marcushoss, that you very much. "Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway." Steve McQueen... | |||
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Trained on the US M1911A-1 .45 caliber pistol in US Army infantry AIT in 1968. Carried one in Vietnam 1969, 1970, 1971. Ammo choices were 230-grain ball or 230-grain tracer-ball. I preferred the tracers, allowing me to "walk" my shots into the target in low-light close encounters of the worst kind. Also carried a .45 as a cop during the late-1970s to mid-1990s, mostly Colt Government Model and Colt Combat Commander. Played around with all the popular super-duper ammo from the Super Vel to the Gold Dots and Golden Sabers. About the time I retired I caught a deal on WW Black Talon (the truly evil stuff that all the investigative reporters lost their breath talking about). Ordered a case at ~$15 per box LE price, still have some (now about $200 per box on GB). Never found anything that was as consistently reliable as GI ball ammo. Never had a customer complaint, once the shot was delivered the result was as expected. Unlike some of the esteemed experts, my experiences have been up close and personal. My treasured horde is a few boxes of 1970s GI surplus FC Match ammo. YMMV Retired holster maker. Retired police chief. Formerly Sergeant, US Army Airborne Infantry, Pathfinders | |||
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Thank you for posting this. Every time I hear folks say "only penetration matters" I have to stop myself from snapping "that's not how physics works." All that energy has to be doing SOMETHING to the target unless it's wasted by sending the projectile further downrange after overpenetration. Saying that we don't understand what it's doing or we haven't figured out how to quantify it is one thing...saying it's irrelevant is something completely different. ---------------------------------------- Death smiles at us all. Be sure you smile back. | |||
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I'd love to see your results, as well. (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") | |||
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I did not see a email in your profile. My email is in mine, if want to drop me a line I can send you pics of the HST rounds and any others that we did at the time. Yeah, I used to have a couple of guns. | |||
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Winchester Ranger T ------- Trying to simplify my life... | |||
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https://www.luckygunner.com/la...llistic-tests/#45ACP Lucky Gunner has a primer on this in many calibers. You will have to scroll around to find the 45ACP section "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Yes,yes,yes And that load is so close to 10mm 180 grn. that I find the difference to be nil. Love that gold dot. ________,_____________________________ Guns don't kill people - Alec Baldwin kills people. He's never been a straight shooter. | |||
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I’d add Winchester Ranger if it was available. I have a good amount on Gold Dot ammo stashed away at home that has been reliable in all my 45s. _________________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last” - Winston Churchil | |||
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Federal HST 230 grain. | |||
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Make mine a Federal HST 230, worked great out of my GLOCK 21 and 1911 when I had them at work. | |||
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Speer Gold DOT and Federal HST have always been my go-to loads. Oddly enough just yesterday I was out and about under duress and found myself buying a couple of boxes of Hornady Critical Duty 220 grain +P to try out. | |||
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Federal 230gr HST standard velocity in 5" and 4.25" barreled 1911s for me. Second choice is Winchester Ranger T 230gr. Certifiable member of the gun toting, septuagenarian, bucket list workin', crazed retiree, bald is beautiful club! USN (RET), COTEP #192 | |||
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things may have changed, i know there have been a lot of new rounds coming out these last couple years. my go to is 230gr standard pressure gold dots. Gel testing a few years back when I was deciding showed the standard pressures performing better than the +P stuff. Especially now that RI is limited to 10rd, I want 10 of whatever will make the biggest hole possible. ________________________ | |||
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Does anyone have any perf data on the Speer LE G2 Duty 230gr +P round? It failed miserably in early testing but Speer reportedly 'fixed' their issues. I haven't seen any follow-up testing in the last couple of years. I read from an article that their 9mm was top dog in the FBI's testing and was curious about their 45 performance. (The Speer LE web site shows strong perf numbers but the pics are mysteriously absent.) | |||
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Another vote here for the Federal HST 230GR + P. | |||
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Well, thanks to sigfreund, I just ordered another 500 rounds of 200 grn. +P gold dots. They are wickedly accurate out of my P220 Legion SAO. local coyote population have gotten the message, cattle farmers have given me a nickname. Splatman ________,_____________________________ Guns don't kill people - Alec Baldwin kills people. He's never been a straight shooter. | |||
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That is mine also. | |||
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