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I can't find it listed on Federal's website. Anybody know if it's still available, and if so, who's got some? -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | ||
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Long gone. Years gone. | |||
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Too bad. I ran across some videos on it, seemed like pretty good stuff. It outperformed Speer Gold Dot in penetration tests. Thanks for the info, Para. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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Only Winchester loads a +P 9MM 147 grain round currently. Buffalo Bore and Underwood both produce a 147 +P 9MM rounds but are priced accordingly. Speer loads a 135 Gold Dot 9MM round at 1170 FPS for carbine use. I have not seen test barrel length for that. There is a Federal 130 Grain Ball round designed for PCC use at 1140 FPS. Not sure those last two are anywhere near the +P classification. | |||
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From what I can find, the HST 147gr +P had a muzzle velocity of 1050 fps and muzzle energy of 360 ft-lbs. The standard HST 147gr has a muzzle velocity of 1000 fps and muzzle energy of 326 ft-lbs. I don’t know what test barrel was used, but both of those appear to be factory specs, so apples to apples. I know more is more, but how significant is that difference? | |||
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If it was available, I'd get it for the penetration performance on clothing and (I think) vehicle glass, etc. Since it's not, I'll stick with the 124gr +P and its 396 ft-lbs. I've heard of the Winchester load, but haven't seen anything on performance. I'll check for Youtube vids. Thanks for that reminder, Citadel. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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Update not +P like everyone is looking for. Sorry https://www.cheaperthandirt.co...fc-029465094447.html Per box of 50 Or 1000 rounds https://www.cheaperthandirt.co...t-jhp-147-grain.html Some kind of comb pack of target ammo and 147 grain HST Federal https://www.midwayusa.com/prod...022397831?pid=973108 20 or 200 round packs https://www.brownells.com/ammu...6f259/?sku=105002491 All very pricey. _______________ NRA Life Member | |||
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Those are the standard-velocity rounds, not +P. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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Sorry looked to fast and didn’t notice the +P _______________ NRA Life Member | |||
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HST1, HST2 and HST3 are still in production. HST4 was discontinued in 2015, at the latest. By the way, no self-respecting gun owner would ever buy anything from the price-gouging land pirates at Cheaper Than Dirt. _______________________________________________ “What sickens me about left-wing people, especially the intellectuals, is their utter ignorance of the way things actually happen.” ~ George Orwell "That's one thing about intellectuals. They've proved that you can be absolutely brilliant and have no idea what's going on." ~ Woody Allen | |||
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Yeah, I noticed that, too, but since I knew better, and it was the wrong ammo anyway, I let it go. I almost got suckered in by them years ago. I live close enough to them that I tried to order something for me to pick up, but it seems they didn't want anybody showing up at their offices. I got the hint, and it wasn't long after that incident that they became infamous here. I decided to Google PSHST4, and it led to Target Sport USA, which had reviews from this year, so I signed up for notification e-mails in case something shows up, since I don't recall any issues with them on SigForum. I'll post any results that show up. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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LOL, I read that above and was gonna say: "Wait, those are one of the price gougers screwing folks over which Para posted about years back....." Para got there first. (thanks for the refresher) (cheaper than dirt, not Midway) (My real name's Bill. I was feeling paranoid when I signed up:-) | |||
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I have three different Sigs that I EDC depending on the season etc. Is it safe to assume that all Sigs will accommodate +P ammo? Of course most practice would be with regular ammo. Thanks. ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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I think you're safe with any Sig, but check the manual. If that doesn't say anything, tell us which Sigs you have. Someone will know. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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Thanks for responding. My small collection of EDC pistols consists of the following: 226 239 365 XL ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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Yes, you'll be fine shooting +P in any of them. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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^^^ Thanks! ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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Hah! Thanks for this update, Nosig, I've been looking for this ammo for quite some time. Naturally, it couldn't happen at a worse time, I've got several expenses that have to be addressed, but I did place a small order with Target Sports, just so I have some on hand. Hope their stock lasts a while so I can order more in the near future. Looks like I'll have to raid savings.  Again, I really appreciate your finding this for me. Target was one place I've been checking, and I could swear I was on their notification list, but nothing other than your alert. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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Got it today!  -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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