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The trainers are definitely more than $100 now

maybe I wrote poorly. The $100 was the difference between the price of the blast deflector and the trainer at the time I got mine. It looks a little bit bigger right now.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
Did I miss your point?

Yes, but I'm not sure it matters. It's a difference of mindset. I'm not going to spend $400 on something that mimics everything about a suppressor but only directs the blast forward if I can get a blast diverter for $89. You think that's silly, and I think hanging a fake suppressor off my gun is silly. We're not likely going to convince each other.

Tell me how to get a blast diverter that uses my surefire QD muzzle devices for $89
and you win.

^^^I know you said you'd only use the 'blast diverter' when you couldn't run an actual suppressor, but why not just shoot elsewhere? Seems like a waste of too much money if that's only the justification anyway! Heck, if they've got stupid rules, why shoot there at all?

It was never about arguing the use of a trainer instead of a diverter. It was about the practical applications of a diverter in place of an actual silencer. If anyone can pitch in a perk of a diverter that I haven't brainstormed already, I am all ears. I believe the trainer to be intended for simmunitions, more than anything else; I am sure it's quite unwise to fire sims through an actual silencer. Does a trainer serve the same function of a diverter as well? Yep; but it is unnecessarily heavier and longer, if you don't care to simulate the presence of your silencer. If your goal is to shoot without a silencer and tame your muzzle blast, a diverter is absolutely the way to go. The question is why the heck are you shooting without your silencer in the first place?

I don't mean you: Smudge, or you: OP. I am just trying to crack the diverter code here.

^^^I see what you did there...

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Originally posted by KSGM:
I am just trying to crack the diverter code here.

I'm honored you picked my thread to hijack.

For KSGM the reason I sometimes have to run without the suppressor is that a certain tactical training group I do matches with is not permitted to allow suppressor use in the place they run matches. SO now you have two choices run with a simple FH which is of course already on the gun or as I chose run with the trainer. Most everybody else just runs the gun without a suppressor. I don't WHY? because lots of these really excellent courses of fire have you do stuff that is directly linked to the length of the gun, for example running in and out of ports, or vehicles, or around corners or under things etc. And I like the fact that what's on my gun is the size shape and length of what will actually be on my gun. A diverter is some silliness to make your static range buddies happier to be next door to you with an obnoxious brake.
But back to the original post I think one of the benefits of the surefire eco system is they supply a diverter and and a trainer that both fit their muzzle devices. Anybody else do that.

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I'm honored you picked my thread to hijack.

My apologies. I did inquire as to your thoughts on the various responses to your OP; you never did respond. The Hux muzzle device cost problem was solved, at least in the context of purchasing another Hux silencer. Did you ever determine if the lifespan changed, depending on barrel length?

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Originally posted by KSGM:
Did you ever determine if the lifespan changed, depending on barrel length?

I've sent a couple messages and they won't respond back.

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Originally posted by KSGM:
It was never about arguing the use of a trainer instead of a diverter. It was about the practical applications of a diverter in place of an actual silencer. If anyone can pitch in a perk of a diverter that I haven't brainstormed already, I am all ears. I believe the trainer to be intended for simmunitions, more than anything else; I am sure it's quite unwise to fire sims through an actual silencer. Does a trainer serve the same function of a diverter as well? Yep; but it is unnecessarily heavier and longer, if you don't care to simulate the presence of your silencer. If your goal is to shoot without a silencer and tame your muzzle blast, a diverter is absolutely the way to go. The question is why the heck are you shooting without your silencer in the first place?

I don't mean you: Smudge, or you: OP. I am just trying to crack the diverter code here.

I think you are overthinking it.

I have the Rugged version, and I actually really like using it on my PCC because the fireballs are fun and it looks way cooler than the shorty M2 brake.

My rationale for buying it though, was that my SBR mounts are brakes, and I like having the option to shoot comfortably at my indoor range while my can is in jail. Long term it will probably live on the PCC, but I do what I want.

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
My rationale for buying it though, was that my SBR mounts are brakes, and I like having the option to shoot comfortably at my indoor range while my can is in jail. Long term it will probably live on the PCC, but I do what I want.

Yeah, same motivation here. I'm going to just assume it's going to be a year or more wait, so I might as well spend a little more to be able to shoot my stuff at indoor ranges without concussing myself. 11.5" 5.56 is... unpleasant at best indoors, even with just a regular A2 or three prong. A brake? Woof.

Have you actually fired a 11.5" AR in an indoor range with a blast deflector? Because when I'm near someone who does, it doesn't make much of a difference in sound. The whole setup is painfully loud and I go out of my way to just not be near one.

Walker77, have you made any progress in your determinations?

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
Have you actually fired a 11.5" AR in an indoor range with a blast deflector? Because when I'm near someone who does, it doesn't make much of a difference in sound. The whole setup is painfully loud and I go out of my way to just not be near one.

I would say my 8" 300 is notably less obnoxious(with supersonic) with it than my 16' 5.56mm AR with an A2 at my indoor range. Still loud, it is. These are not suppressors.

I'll just shoot with the brake all the time now because you guys said my deflector is dumb.

Holy hell; can we drop the deflector debate? Walker77, any progress?