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I don't see huge price differences on the barrel side for many of the options. But back to the original question. I trust surefire but if I was going lighter I'm going titanium and Thunderbeast. In the earlier thread that KSGM posted above I give the weights of a few of those. But bring even more money.


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For those curious, the HUXWRX Flow 556K comes in two different versions, suppressor only or the "kit" which includes a muzzle device. On the wholesale side, the "kit" is only about $60 more, but a muzzle device costs a hundred bucks.
 
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Well that is heartening.
 
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A muzzle device costs “hundreds of bucks”? Most of the ones I’ve seen from the major suppressor manufacturers cost $100-120 at most.
 
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A lot of them are under $100. Surefire and Hux are not.
 
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I've been buying the brake for my huxwrx. But the concussion is crazy, even with 5.56



So I bought the new blastphemy for when I'm shooting without the suppressor.

 
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Why would you want 50% of the length, and probably at least 25% of the weight, of a silencer, with 0% of the noise reduction? Why not just use the silencer? The only situation I can figure, that warrants the use of one of those things, is if you prefer a brake, and your silencer has suffered a catastrophic failure.

I am genuinely curious as to your applications for the "blast diverter". I had considered a Warden at one point, as a backup in the instance my RC2 became unusable "in the field", but I can't think of another reason to use it.
 
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Why would you want 50% of the length, and probably at least 25% of the weight, of a silencer, with 0% of the noise reduction? Why not just use the silencer? The only situation I can figure, that warrants the use of one of those things, is if you prefer a brake, and your silencer has suffered a catastrophic failure.

I am genuinely curious as to your applications for the "blast diverter". I had considered a Warden at one point, as a backup in the instance my RC2 became unusable "in the field", but I can't think of another reason to use it.


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Not that I have to justify it to you. But I don't always shoot with a suppressor.

Is that ok with you?
 
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Griffin makes one of those also, and I’ve been curious about how well they work. My can comes with the “EZ Brake,” which looks like it’ll be brutal on my 11” Bren without a can attached. It’ll have to do for a bit. Does the blast diverter thing live up to what it’s supposed to do?


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Does the blast diverter thing live up to what it’s supposed to do?


I just got it a few days ago. I haven't been able to try it out yet.
 
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I’d like to know what you think when you get the chance! Smile


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Not that I have to justify it to you. But I don't always shoot with a suppressor. Is that ok with you?
Of course it is.

I wasn't demanding that you justify your ownership of a blast diverter; I was asking you to explain your application of it. It's an item I don't understand, for the reasons I mentioned, and I was hoping you might say something to the effect of "well, you haven't thought of this".

I also use a brake on my gun: it's a 10.5", and I opted for a brake to save some wear on the can; judging by the erosion inside the brake ports, I'd say it's serving that purpose at least a little bit. I see zero reason to shoot my gun without the silencer attached, so I don't see the appeal of a blast diverter outside a silencer failure scenario. The barrel on the rifle you shared an image of seems to be long enough to avoid aggressive wear, though I could still understand the appeal in the wear-prevention sense, if the Flow silencers have a "life span". It seems to me that a diverter defeats the intended performance of a brake so, unless I am wrong about that, there's no performance-oriented need to shoot without the silencer itself attached, if you're going to replace it with a diverter.

If you just like to make more noise sometimes, and you like the way the gun handles with a few less inches and a handful less ounces on the front end of it, then that's fine, of course. But, if that's the case, and you're not using brakes to save wear and tear on the can or take advantage of their bare recoil-reduction characteristics every now and then, you'd be better served with a flash hider. I was hoping you could educate me a bit on something I don't fully understand.
 
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Griffin makes one of those also, and I’ve been curious about how well they work. My can comes with the “EZ Brake,” which looks like it’ll be brutal on my 11” Bren without a can attached. It’ll have to do for a bit. Does the blast diverter thing live up to what it’s supposed to do?


Yes it does. I had a minimalist muzzle device on a 10.5” AR and used the minimalist blast shield. It worked in that the people next to me at the outdoor range stopped complaining. And the fireballs were spectacular!
 
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The reason I purchased blast diverters for a couple of my SBR's was to keep the length down for concealment purposes. Both have very short barrels and the concussion is severe with a brake. I generally use a suppressor on the 300 BLK with 5.5" barrel, but the 5.56 with the 7.5" barrel is not suitable for most suppressors. I will eventually find one that is rated for it but for the time being the diverter is a better choice than a brake. Overall, purchasing a 7.5" 5.56 was probably a poor choice but what's done is done.



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The ultimate concealability is a valid point, and one that folding stock advocates share. If instant deployment is not of the utmost importance or likelihood, I'd make a case for having the silencer in the same carry case/bag, and installing it upon unpacking the gun itself.

I know Surefire makes an SBR can, that is marketed as being intended for barrels under 10"; you may consider it.
 
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Yes it does. I had a minimalist muzzle device on a 10.5” AR and used the minimalist blast shield. It worked in that the people next to me at the outdoor range stopped complaining.


Ok, thanks for that. Hopefully I'll be filling out the Form 4 this week, and I'm going to assume it's going to be about a year or so, so it'll be worth it to pick one of those up so I can still shoot the thing without clearing out the range.

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And the fireballs were spectacular!


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KSGM when I can't run an actual suppressor (for some stupid reason like the range doesn't permit them or whatever) I run the SureFire Suppressor Trainer which is physically the same thing but no suppression. I'd pick that over any silly "blast diverter" and of course it mounts to my current muzzle setup. For your consideration...


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KSGM when I can't run an actual suppressor (for some stupid reason like the range doesn't permit them or whatever) I run the SureFire Suppressor Trainer which is physically the same thing but no suppression. I'd pick that over any silly "blast diverter" and of course it mounts to my current muzzle setup. For your consideration...


So... it also directs the blast forward, but it says "Surefire" on it and it costs $400. What am I missing here?


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Not that I have to justify it to you.
at least according to the some on this thread Smile
I am not sure your exact question P220Smudge. Once you are in the Surefire system your guns have Surefire muzzle devices. So nobody is going to remove those for an occasional use without a suppressor, and install some other device period. Thus if you aren't running a surefire suppressor (or the compatible B&T) you get two options that use the Surefire QD. Surefire offers the blast regulator and the trainer both with the Surefire logo on them and both for silly money given what they are. I am unaware of a third party choice but if there is one I would happily evaluate it. Of the two options I think the trainer is the better option. When I got mine the price premium for the trainer was about $100. Did I miss your point?


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The trainers are definitely more than $100 now, like Smudge said.

I agree with the trainer, if you always use the silencer, but a facility hosting training prohibits their use for some reason. I know the trainers are also highly relevant when it comes to simmunition, because the trainer simulates the presence of the proper silencer; that's important to someone who always uses the silencer. In either of these cases, I'd prefer the trainer, because I am training, and I want the training to be as valuable as possible. Fortunately, I have yet to be confronted with a situation that prohibits the use of my silencer. Unfortunately I don't use simmunitions.

I still consider the diverters to be kind of a puzzle, outside of a backup for silencer failure, or a silencer substitute when minimal OAL length is a priority, and the host weapon has a brake.

We have certainly drifted a bit from the OP, but he hasn't had much to say about anyone's replies to his OP.
 
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