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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Can we all just admit that the law is meaningless at this point.

We can also understand that the media and its reporting has no connection to truth. We've reached the point where freedom of speech has been morphed into a right to lie and make up viscous lies to support their agenda.

Is it time to start shooting the bastards yet?

OK, but there is a bright spot emerging. The papers are going out of business. Victims of their own bias. No one believes them anymore.

U.S. District Judge William Bertelsman is a Carter appointee. He probably farts dust.

Anyone read the 36 page opinion?

From nhtagmember's post:

"In a 36-page ruling, U.S. District Judge William Bertelsman noted that the Post never mentioned Sandmann by name in its initial coverage of the incident, referring only to groups of "hat wearing teens." Bertelsman added that "the words used contain no reflection upon any particular individual" and thus could not be constituted as defamation."

This part seems reasonable to me.

I guess intent is now irrelevant?

everyone but the judge knew what was going on, or perhaps the judge decided that he knew so much more than everyone else...

either way, this was a travesty of what is laughingly referred to as justice in this country today

Can this judge's decision not be appealed?? This kid has a very sharp/intelligent law firm behind him.

I’d love to see that judge tarred and feathered then keel hauled.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Anyone read the 36 page opinion?

From nhtagmember's post:

"In a 36-page ruling, U.S. District Judge William Bertelsman noted that the Post never mentioned Sandmann by name in its initial coverage of the incident, referring only to groups of "hat wearing teens." Bertelsman added that "the words used contain no reflection upon any particular individual" and thus could not be constituted as defamation."

This part seems reasonable to me.

Go back and review the Post's coverage of the event. They (just like CNN and others) splashed Sandmann's face on every story where they defamed the Covington kids continually for starting this (a lie) and disrespecting an old indian (another lie). If any corporate in the country attempted to paint a media picture like the Post and CNN did, the judgement in that lawsuit would be enormous, as it should be. This judge and his decision are bullshit on steroids, and yet another travesty of justice. 'This' is specifically why I have zero respect for the current judicial system.

I tried to look at the articles, but they want me to pay for them. The little I was able to read supports the judge's decision. If the judge outright lied about what the articles say, then an appeal should be an easy slam dunk.

The judge quibbled.
“the Post could not be found guilty of defamation for reporting on the January 18 interaction, for quoting Native American activists’ description of it or for using subjective terms such as “mocking” and “taunting” to describe the behavior of the Covington Catholic students involved. In a defamation suit, he wrote, the claims at issue must be provably false — not matters of opinion or subjective interpretation”
Translation: The Post can publish what a fake veteran and racially motivated protesters claim happen. They don’t have to investigated the claims for honestly

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Originally posted by Icabod:
The judge quibbled.
“In a defamation suit, he wrote, the claims at issue must be provably false — not matters of opinion or subjective interpretation”.

On several occasions the Post and CNN stated the Covington boys confronted, created, and perpetuated the altercation with the fake indian. That was 100%, unequivocally, proven false by the complete video footage that surfaced. Further more, both the POST and CNN continued their untruthful narrative about how this incident occurred, even after the full video footage was released nationwide.

I stand by my initial contention...this judge is both a partisan and a retard. That, and the law in general means nothing anymore.

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U.S. District Judge William Bertelsman noted that the Post never mentioned Sandmann by name in its initial coverage of the incident, referring only to groups of "hat wearing teens."

That didn't sound right.

Here is a WaPo 22 Jan 2019 editorial

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.2e55a87afbd0

Sandmann is named multiple times

from the article:

“Respect your elders” was a constant refrain from my mother and other relatives when I was growing up. And it was reinforced during my own years in Catholic schools. It didn’t matter whether you knew them or not, whether you were related to them or not. A child and an adult are never on an equal playing field. And yet, for me and many others, Sandmann’s actions and those of his classmates were those of disrespectful children toward an adult. No amount of rude, homophobic, racist, anti-Catholic invective from loons like the Black Hebrew Israelites justifies what they did.

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another WaPo article

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.ecdf8c95ac49

23 Jan 2019

Sandmann is again called out by name

from the article:

It's the smile that we've been dissecting all week.

Sandmann meant it to defuse the situation, he told Guthrie. He said he was trying to communicate to Phillips that, “This is the best you’re going to get from me.”

That was an interesting sentence. It implied Sandmann thought a senior citizen with a drum was trying to “get” something more from him. In Sandmann’s mind, Phillips had come to provoke, rather than bring peace.

The most insidious bully in my junior high wasn’t someone who stuffed smaller kids in lockers, but a smaller kid himself: slender, handsome, with a last name that appeared on a big building in town. What he would do, mostly, was stare. Stare and smile, and walk very close to his less-rich, less-handsome targets. Not touching, but close enough to show that he could have touched them if he wanted to.

the 'judge' needs an attitude adjustment

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost...issed-235322382.html

A federal judge on Friday dismissed a $250 million lawsuit against The Washington Post from the attorneys of Nick Sandmann, the MAGA hat-wearing teen captured in a viral video with Native American activist Nathan Phillips in January.

[...]

In a story titled “‘It was getting ugly’: Native American drummer speaks on his encounter with MAGA-hat-wearing teens,” Phillips told the Post that Sandmann stood in his way as he looked for an exit route.

[...]

But in his ruling on Friday, U.S. District Judge William Bertelsman wrote that the lawsuit’s claims are “not supported by the plain language in the article.”

[...]

The article the lawsuit is based on is here (note the video on top of the page is a separate later item giving both sides' account). There was also one earlier WP report. The ones posted earlier are opinion pieces which appeared after the Sandman family had a statement released on 21 Januar.

some good news

Judge Bertelsman made a ridiculous ruling to dismiss the lawsuit against the Wash Post (ridiculous = MHO)

But now, from lawyer Todd McMurty:

Federal Judge William O. Bertelsman partially reversed his ruling to dismiss #nicksandmann's claims against the @washingtonpost. Nick's case may now proceed into discovery.


This is a huge win. Now #NickSandmann will be able to start discovery and find out exactly what the reporters were thinking when they attacked Nicholas and the #CovingtonCatholic kids.

This is great news!!! This just may well get very expensive to the Washington Post and some other slime rags.

That IS good news!

GREAT news!!!!

Excellent news.

Perhaps the judge saw this WashPo headline and decided "hey...maybe the kid is right".

icing on the cake

Todd McCurty also tweeted:

The Covington Catholic kids have sued @kathygriffin. (Note Nick Sandmann is not a plaintiff in this case)

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Kathy Giffin got on the internet, doxed the families, and called on her followers to harass them.

Later she tweeted that her communications had "triggered lots of verrry threatened bros. Yummy. It's delicious"

complaint:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mscm...EFS.Doc%201.pdf?dl=0

That woman just doesn't know when to quit.