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Oriental Redneck |
The NFA needs to be repealed. Q | |||
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You sir are 100% correct. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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Assholes. If cancer doesn't get ya, the government will. | |||
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Ever read Unintended Consequences? It’s all about a FFL who takes on the ATF "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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That would be best, but at minimum 922(o) needs to be ruled unconstitutional and stricken from Title 18. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Trust me, they have no love for current/former employee whistleblowers either. ATF is a failed organization that needs to be disbanded and it’s responsibilities split up amongst other agencies. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
Whole thing needs to make it before the current Supreme Court. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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And say what? We were trying to pull a scam that everyone and their dog knows that is illegal and we got caught? And everyone knows that you could get caught, they just made an example of. They don’t have much of an argument. Stuff that you knew you could get away with 20 years ago is no more. You can disagree with the principle, the fact that there is a two tiered Justice system, but they don’t have the argument that they didn’t know what they were doing was illegal. This is the Biden Administration’s DOJ. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
I was speaking in the broader sense of the NFA. The “whole thing” is unconstitutional, shit legislation that hasn’t ever been properly challenged at the Supreme Court level. The only case that made it that far, the defendant didn’t show up. From what I read, he had a reasonable chance of winning it. That was some time in the 1930’s, and from what I understand, a case that directly challenges the NFA hasn’t been heard by the supremes since. Larry Vickers was running a scam and pled guilty to flip on his cop buddies - that’s obviously not going to be our test case that overturns NFA. I’m posting from mobile and should’ve included a few more words lol.  ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
^^^^^^^^^ is the truth. (jlj's post) They had no plausible argument that it wasn't. None at all, and even Stevie Wonder could see it. You can disband all the agencies you want but the defendants knew it wasn't legal at all times they were engaged in the endeavor. | |||
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Just another reminder to fly the straight and narrow. I love guns, I love my freedom more. They don't bear the sword in vain. Sorry shit for those involved. ________,_____________________________ Guns don't kill people - Alec Baldwin kills people. He's never been a straight shooter. | |||
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When you plea, you waive all Appeals. Vickers has no appellate rights unless exculpatory material was withheld from his counsel and from him in deciding to enter into a plea. This has happened in OC cases in Massachusetts and New York. Nothing would surprise me with the just us department. | |||
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Fair enough. I do wonder if it started with one of the cops pissing someone off, and went out from there. | |||
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Are we still going to have "Vickers" or " Limited Vickers" in IDPA stages, or are the rules going to be bowdlerized? Oh, wait. I'm behind the times. Sorry. Erm, when did that change occur? ____________________ | |||
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Or, it could be as simple as LAV being unable to get a fair trial in Baltimore Federal District Court. Any of us on this forum would probably be in the same position with that jury pool, regardless of the factual merits of allegations in the indictment. You'd be in a scenario not dissimilar from the one J6 defendants faced in D.C. | |||
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I am not that desperate to own full auto or an SBR. And quite a few cops get jammed up trying to scam into getting a "departmentally owned" otherwise illegal gun. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Damn, Sorry to hear that. I did like the Vickers firearm photo books. All he had to do was make some appointments with the local cops and try and sell them the damn things right? I don't know much about SOT but did he really think he didn't have to jump through a couple of hoops to make this work? | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
Sometimes the innocent will take a plea deal rather than face complete financial annihilation defending your innocence and still end up with the possibility of being found guilty. Many people around Trump have experienced that - losing their homes, cars, savings, and means of livelihood from facing prosecution. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Now Serving 7.62 |
Indeed, the govt is good at stacking charges and pour it on heavy for the plea. I believe this got kicked off when his license expire (might have been around the same time he was battling cancer. That brought FTF into this business. | |||
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