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| Knows too little about too much  |
This. It's damn hard to fight a government that essentially has unlimited resources AND the judicial system in its pocket. RMD TL Davis: “The Second Amendment is special, not because it protects guns, but because its violation signals a government with the intention to oppress its people…” Remember: After the first one, the rest are free. | |||
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| Imagination and focus become reality |
So...you think he is innocent of the charges? | |||
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I’m not gonna give my 2¢ yet. Too many unknowns at this point. I am curious to hear the whole story though. | |||
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| No More Mr. Nice Guy |
We have a legal system, not a justice system. My Favorite Aviation Administration came after me very early in my airline career at a non-union carrier (and thus no union lawyer to defend us). This was after the company published an accounting of the event highly praising the crew for averting disaster. Then the local feds decided to hang the crew out to dry. The entire prosecution was dirty, violating numerous aspects of their procedure manual for how to prosecute pilots. Their complaint against me actually proved I was innocent (we allegedly violated SOP by successfully working as a team to solve a problem not covered by the SOP), but the prosecutor only cared about crushing me to get another notch on his gun belt. Ultimately we prevailed in court, but at the cost of 2 years pre-tax income and very many sleepless nights. So, yeah, I've learned not to read guilt into anyone who cops a plea. | |||
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One of the things I learned as a cop. The DAs are always trying to get another conviction. This is why they keep track of their conviction stats. Also why almost every federal case is a fore drawn conclusion-they don’t prosecute “Iffy” cases or cases where everyone knows the Defendant was in the right. Whatever Vickers pled to won’t be the whole deal that he was gonna get smacked with. You’ll have to wait until the case is concluded and read all the documents to know the whole enchilada. And even then you may not know what took place in a back hallway of the courthouse. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
It's not about whether he's innocent. It's about whether he has the resources to expend on his defense. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Exactly. And there will be more prosecutions for this kind of stuff A very small town police chief in my state who was also an FFL/SOT was indicted late last year for something similar. He was writing his own demo letters (for things his tiny PD could never need) and then disposing of machine guns that he obtained with these demo letters by writing demo letters for other dealers. Blatant. Stupid. Like Jerry said, you can disagree in principle, but the people playing these games know they are taking a risk. What finally got this guy? He tried to buy a minigun. https://www.justice.gov/usao-s...false-statements-atf | |||
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| Imagination and focus become reality |
Really? It's not about if he broke the law? | |||
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| His Royal Hiney |
Really. The January 6 rioters broke the law. Do you think their guilt deserve the treatment and punishment they received? Do you think it matters that government operatives were in the crowd instigating the crowd to get inside the capitol? Do you think it matters that police officers just stood around not calling for reinforcements while protesters were telling them to do something? Do you think it matters that half of the people that plotted the kidnapping of the Wisconsin (?) governor were government operatives? Do you think it matters that Randy Weaver was lured into cutting short a shotgun barrel by government operatives with the intent of turning him into a government operative? And if ever the pistol brace restriction pass muster and you happen to have one, does it matter to you how it came about that you’re guilty of a felony for having one and not registering it as an SBR? "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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| No More Mr. Nice Guy |
Prosecutors don't care whether the accused person committed the crime or not. They don't care if the law is good or not. They care whether they expect they can get a conviction or not. Defending against the infinite resources of the government will cost you your house just to get started. That's if you have a solid case. Go to appeals and you lose your retirement, the kids' college funds, your spouse, your career. Innocence is immaterial to those aspects. | |||
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| my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives |
I do not know exactly what happened here, but I can provide observations based on experience. In every case in the past where I have ever seen a multi count indictment announced contemporaneously with a guilty plea by one of the conspirators, it has meant that the plead out guy had turned state’s witness. If you remember, this thread: https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...400045684#4400045684 One would assume that this started the inventory and the records would have been (one assumes) out of whack. You will also notice that the announcement states that he plead guilty, but didn’t mention a sentence. The reason I have seen this done in the past is that the sentence is held off and the individual remains free until he completes providing all of the testimony required by the US attorney. After that, the deal is finalized and the court accepts the sentence. The press release is not an announcement to you, it is written for the co conspirators lawyers. “Hey. We got you, we have a witness, your case is futile”. It’s a shame, I took a 1911 armorer class from LV a few years ago. Nice guy, very knowledgeable and someone who gave a lot for his country. ***************************** "I don't own the night, I only operate a small franchise" - Author unknown | |||
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I guess OJ didnt kill Nicole since he had the resources to fund his defense. As for the Jan 6ers. I have not lost a second of sleep over these people who decided to storm a federal building blocked off by police officers. If you were dumb enough to force your way inside because another guy in red hat (secret agent or not) said you should, then you can follow your fellow sheep right into jail cell. If I had a pistol brace that would now be illegal, I would reluctantly hand it over. A piece of plastic with velcro is not worth the risk of everything I could lose. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
You're being obtuse.
You should educate yourself on a subject before making such statements. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Yes & no. I've worked with some fed's. They really don't go after someone if it's an "Ify" case. They go back and forth during an investigation with a US Attorney multiple times, their respective legal department, make sure the "i's" are dotted, "t's" are crossed. Then they seek an indictment. Many people have lawyers at their disposal, or some lawyer that they can contact for their business. This doesn't mean that said lawyer is- Good at criminal defense Good at the Federal level of Criminal Defense. ^^^ Lawyers cost $ Good lawyers cost $$-$$$ Great lawyers cost $$$$+ Yes, it's going to cost you, sometimes it's easier and cheaper to take the plea, sometimes it's more beneficial to point fingers, roll, snitch, rat... Whatever you want to call it. And yes, the .gov organizations know this, and will use it as a tactic to bleed you. Now, regarding L. A. Vickers and his service to the Country, "LAV deserves better than he has received from an ungrateful and fickle nation." Yes, I wholeheartedly agree, but some some fucktarded, commie, brother-fucking, son of a whore thinks "who better to make an example out of", and let's make it public, so the rest of the Serfs fall in line. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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Ahhh, the "Jan 6-ers"! Yeah, those "evil bastards"... Any word on the charges at the federal level of the "mostly peaceful" protesters from the summer of 2020? Nothing? Let's talk about this past week- https://www.foxnews.com/politi...arresting-protesters Ya think they are going to receive the same and vigorous treatment of the Federal Legal Process? There's a reason that Themis has a blindfold on and holding scales. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Yeah, so she doesn't see the corruption. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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The "They But They Did It Too" defense is something that doesn't apply past a third grade playground fight. Plenty of people of all persuasions have been charged and convicted of illegal acts at federal facilities - look at what happened to radical left wing anti-war activists during the Nam era. I've helped feds arrest and prosecute environmental activists demonstrating and committing other crimes such as vandalism on federal lands a number of times. The lack of resources argument disregards the fact that all prosecutors, at any level, do not in fact have unlimited budgets and assets. They have to pick and choose their cases, and will happily decline cases they don't think are winnable or tell us to go find more evidence. Plenty of people go to trial. Prosecutors don't want the uncertainty of a trial anymore than than a defense attorney does. Lastly, I would expect someone who swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, either in the military or LE to follow the rule of law. Public service should not bestow some kind of immunity from being held responsible for committing crimes. I do believe there is a double standard here - that past or present public servants of all stripes should be held to a higher standard. | |||
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| Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
And has been for decades. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Kidcop, exactly. Not to go off on too much of a tangent, But what I think all we’re asking is that the butter be spread evenly across the bread. Not one side butter, and the other side shit. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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Raptorman |
The ATF doesn't lift a finger on gangs with converted full auto Glocks for some reason. They afraid of dangerous people who might shoot back? ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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