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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
No, they really don't which is also evident in my video I posted. I saw that deer quite a few seconds before the video really picked it up. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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The guy behind the guy |
what about the tech isn't ready? People say it isn't ready, but what is it you find lacking? | |||
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| thawed out, thrown out |
I had not seen video of the driver until watching the video on pg 9. It's clear that the "driver" is at fault for not paying attention. She was busy texting or doing something below the dash. Also, I timed from when the woman presented on camera to the time of impact and it was ~2 seconds. There's no way HID headlights on street lit road gives the average person 2 seconds to react at 45mph or whatever she was doing. Low beams illuminate well enough so we can see objects well in advance on the highway while going much faster than this SUV was and people aren't complaining about the lack of visibility headlamps are able to provide. Uber AND this woman should be held accountable because they both screwed up. If the driver was looking straight ahead, I would be more inclined to give her a pass but didn't look until it was too late. Balze Halze - I believe if you didn't brake and swerve it would have been likely that you would have hit that deer. The self driving car or the driver didn't swerve and frankly didn't appear to brake. | |||
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Perception (sensors) Processing Software. The last 2 can be combined. Computers are good at doing repetitive things & things that have been previously encountered & specifically addressed in programming. They don't anticipate well. They don't adapt well. Woe to us when they do. Using only LIDAR limits what it can sense - It doesn't see color/texture, it sees a surface (obstacle) X meters away. the human eye/brain gather MUCH more info & process it quickly. I would guess that the dips in the road, the uneven street lighting & the braking of the car well in front of the UBER played a part in the computer not detecting the pedestrian. I didn't seem to me that the brakes were applied even at impact (didn't see the camera angle change) It's hard to assign blame when the only person who could have absolutely avoided the incident is dead. If the driver had been in 'normal' control of the car & alert, he/she MIGHT have been able to avoid it. Not enough info to say they're negligent (even if in full control). The computer SHOULD have detected the obstacle & reacted, but shit happens. Not enough info to say that the sensor/programming is negligently inadequate. I'm assuming Uber has permission to use this system from some Gov't entity. The biker SHOULD have seen the car & SHOULD NOT have been crossing at that point anyway. The pedestrian was the only one acting vs reacting. Lack of reaction, in a split second, isn't enough to hang the 'driver' or technology IMO. I don't think the tech is ready, certainly not at the cost required to implement widespread. Right now, we're trading a single point of failure (human) for a single point of failure (single vehicle sensor). Banking on a human to take over when the computer gets in a situation is idiotic. Want to see where consumer robotics is at? Get a roomba. they can find every goddamn obstacle in the house, & head straight for it. | |||
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Chip away the stone |
Yeah, I don't think the video is an accurate representation of what a person with 20/20 vision would have been able to see at the moment prior to impact. The video makes it look like it was impossible to see the pedestrian until the moment almost the full power/focus of the headlights hit her. One thing, though, the pedestrian looked to me to be moving pretty fast from a darker area on the left left to the right, which would make it more difficult to detect them, I think, in that they weren't directly in front of the car for long at all. | |||
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As of today, airbags (defective or otherwise) have killed more people than autonomous cars. That doesn’t mean airbags don’t have benefits, even though there are warnings of injury or death by misuse. Clearly, the autonomous tech is not ready yet. The answer seems to be screen for better drivers to be the safety redundancy. They are Test Pilots, hire accordingly. | |||
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| Made from a different mold  |
  ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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Bald Headed Squirrel Hunter |
After watching that video, I'm more convinced than ever. The technology is not ready. This will be a reality one day, but the industry is rushing this to market before it's ready. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" | |||
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Airbags have killed more people because they are basically in almost every car by this time. Early mistakes added to the count. This tech isn’t ready for real time use. Multiple points. Autopilots in aircraft are used by pilots who are trained and literally expect to need to take control at any moment. We don’t turn on the autopilot and go make a sandwich. Space X is doing this right. They are testing tech with inanimate objects. If the booster ploughs into the Atlantic, nobody is hurt. A Roadster in space won’t harm anyone. These idiots are putting this early tech on the road prematurely and to make matters worse, they aren’t employing test pilot types they are employing people who are watching videos of test pilots on their phones. Bottom line. Even when this stuff is actually ready for the road the driver will need to stay alert and be ready to take over INSTANTLY. You guys dreaming of autonomous cars while you sleep in the back are smoking crack. No way is that happening even mildly soon. And yes, I will take your bet on that. | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
When asked why he didn't stop the Uber vehicle the gentleman replied. I'm not a driver I'm an auto attendant monitor.... | |||
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| Made from a different mold |
SO, let's say that the tech is worked out, all the issues are resolved and your brand new autonomous car can drive you and your family anywhere safely. What is stopping the TECH companies supplying all of the software/hardware from shitting on the 2nd Amendment? Wanna go to the gun store? Not on Google's watch. To the range? Ha says Elon Musk. How about we all get in our nifty iThings and visit SHOT Show or The NRA Convention.....Oh yeah, Apple says fuck you and your guns, you racist assholes. All it would take is a small portion of our population to exert their political will upon the masses because they are in control of the tech that would be used in these things! Facebook, Instagram, Google/YouTube, Apple, etc. = Big tech that shits on your 2nd Amendment now. Imagine what happens when they own the tech you are driving. Find a movie in the past 5 years that didn't have some political message in it. There is an ever mounting pile of pressure from fuckheads on the left that don't believe in Our right to bear arms, on groups of people that otherwise couldn't care less if we own guns. Gun manufacturers are having to find alternate sources for funding as most banks don't want to be seen in cahoots with anything like that. Look at what happened with the NRA and how many companies pulled their discounts in order to look as if they were "neutral". Don't delude yourselves into thinking there aren't political reasons for you to be riding around in a Autonomous vehicle. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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Since I’d be paying for the service, I’d sue them. | |||
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| Made from a different mold |
Private businesses. The government hasn't done anything and you still have access to those places, you'd just have to find other means of transport. From all the lawyers on here, if a private business wants to not be associated with certain business segment (especially one that isn't a protected class), then there isn't a damn thing any of us can do. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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goodheart |
I found this article from WSJ interesting for a number of reasons:
WTF Uber???  _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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Funny Man |
What is stopping them now? Why would autonomous cars be some magic tipping point?. I have no problem using my Android phone to call my local gun store. I can even Google their phone number and address....use Google maps to navigate my way to 2A utopia. Get ahold of yourself man, this isn't a distopian science fiction film. ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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| Leatherneck |
I think a lot of you are jumping to some conclusions. Saying that I see value in this technology does not mean I am willing to give up the ability to drive myself. I don't see where anyone has said that they would do that. But I am only going to speak for myself. I see a real value in self driving cars For many reasons. That does NOT mean that I: -Will give up my current vehicle -Think all personal vehicle ownership should go away -Am a communist -Hate freedom -Hate driving -Want the technology to be on the road before it is ready -Think that at no time will any company ever inject their politics into their vehicles Do I think Uber is developing these cars so that they can control me? Nope. But maybe I am wrong. I concede that what LDD and you brought up could happen. And if it did it would not matter one little bit to me because I would just do what I already do and drive myself to the range. I will do that because, as I have already said multiple times but for some reason need to continue repeating, I am not giving up my own car. I think that the vision where nobody owns a personal vehicle and everyone relies on self driving public transportation is a long way off and probably not ever going to be a reality. This country is way too big and has way too much rural area for that to be a reality. Even if in 50 years every car has the ability to drive itself I think you will still see a majority of driveways with a car in them. In major cities maybe most people will opt for public transportation but there are a lot of people who live in major cities that don't own a car now so not much will change in that regard. I really don't understand why some of you seem to be acting as though this is one or the other. Either we own personal vehicles or all cars are fleet owned self driving cars. It can be, and almost 100% will be, both. Uber and others will eventually release a fleet of self driving vehicles. That will not mean that on that day you will need to burn your 93 Escort to the ground and only use Uber. Keep your car. Buy a new car. Do whatever you want and use Uber that day the exact same amount you use it today and for the exact same reasons. Self driving cars won't control your life any more than you let them. “Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014 | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
With the advent of Youtube and Reddit stopping all firearms videos/posts, and the known anti 2A sentiment of these social media giants, and the IT industry as a whole, the question will be, what will stop them if they decide to take that route. Say some kid hires an Uber to drive him to a school to shoot up kids, whats to prevent a private company like Uber from prohibiting the transport of firearms in any Uber vehicle. They have a policy now against firearms for Uber drivers, so it's not so far fetched in the reality of todays socially driven anti gun climate that is pushed in the IT industry. Whos to say it won't become part of the deal. Unless you own the car, you have no rights on what can go into it or where it will go. | |||
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| Mired in the Fog of Lucidity |
Hmmm, as a side note: I heard yesterday that the driver was a woman, but saw a picture on the news last night and "she" looked very much like she a a beard shadow....I guess this explains it. Not that it matters, just a satisfied curiosity. Some lawyers are going to make coin on this one, I suspect. | |||
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| goodheart |
What autonomous vehicles will do is replace the great majority of commercial drivers. Just part of the disappearance of blue-collar jobs that is in our future. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
I'd like to see the robot they develop to get out of the autonomous car, retrieve the correct package and deliver it to the doorstep. For the commercial market a necessity to facilitate the elimination of drivers, you'll just need a person to schlep the parcels. Or a drone that will lift off from the back of the truck and fly the package to the doorstep.  | |||
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