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Originally posted by HRK:

I'd like to see the robot they develop to get out of the autonomous car, retrieve the correct package and deliver it to the doorstep.

For the commercial market a necessity to facilitate the elimination of drivers, you'll just need a person to schlep the parcels.

Or a drone that will lift off from the back of the truck and fly the package to the doorstep.

You'll first see the tech in long haul trucking. If the truck isn't moving, it isn't making money. Having a robot that doesn't fatigue would probably change the game for this use.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:

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Originally posted by HRK:

I'd like to see the robot they develop to get out of the autonomous car, retrieve the correct package and deliver it to the doorstep.

For the commercial market a necessity to facilitate the elimination of drivers, you'll just need a person to schlep the parcels.

Or a drone that will lift off from the back of the truck and fly the package to the doorstep.

You'll first see the tech in long haul trucking. If the truck isn't moving, it isn't making money. Having a robot that doesn't fatigue would probably change the game for this use.

Let’s hear all of you early adopters praise the idea of a 40 ton robot observed by a sweatpants and flip flop wearing greencard carrying immigrant playing world of Warcraft over the road. Of course he’ll pay special attention while he’s next to you.

If you get this autonomous shit I guess you deserve it. I only hope they mount a strobe on top. Once again if it’s so damned good the man who designed and installed it ought to sign the dash agreeing he is going to prison with you for any liability incurred while the system is in use.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:

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Originally posted by HRK:

I'd like to see the robot they develop to get out of the autonomous car, retrieve the correct package and deliver it to the doorstep.

For the commercial market a necessity to facilitate the elimination of drivers, you'll just need a person to schlep the parcels.

Or a drone that will lift off from the back of the truck and fly the package to the doorstep.

You'll first see the tech in long haul trucking. If the truck isn't moving, it isn't making money. Having a robot that doesn't fatigue would probably change the game for this use.

Money is a powerful driver. My guess is that is why any of this is happening. What I think will happen is the tech will improve to the point that the only variable is human error. The only place to go from there is compulsory autonomous cars because money. Safety will be the guise. But money will be the root.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:

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Originally posted by HRK:

I'd like to see the robot they develop to get out of the autonomous car, retrieve the correct package and deliver it to the doorstep.

For the commercial market a necessity to facilitate the elimination of drivers, you'll just need a person to schlep the parcels.

Or a drone that will lift off from the back of the truck and fly the package to the doorstep.

You'll first see the tech in long haul trucking. If the truck isn't moving, it isn't making money. Having a robot that doesn't fatigue would probably change the game for this use.

Yeah, I think the delivery driver who has to physically handle the cargo will be the among the last drivers to be replaced by automated systems. Uber drivers, bus drivers, etc., don't serve any critical functions other than to operate the vehicle. However, the company I work for has about 40 drivers that have to deliver products of a wide variety of sizes, shapes and levels of fragility, from stuff that can be placed directly into the hands of a customer to stuff that has to be taken off the truck with a lift, buy the driver, and placed in an acceptable location in the dirt around a construction site.

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Originally posted by reflex/deflex 64:


Let’s hear all of you early adopters praise the idea of a 40 ton robot observed by a sweatpants and flip flop wearing...

This is the kind of silly shit that keeps conversations from being productive.

Who here has supported theidea of rushing this technology out the door before it is ready? Which post specifically do you think is encouraging early adaptation of autonomous vehicles without proper safety testing and certification?

Stop being overly dramatic.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:
You'll first see the tech in long haul trucking.

Long-haul drivers will be the first to become unemployed, followed by lot lizards.

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Originally posted by reflex/deflex 64:
Let’s hear all of you early adopters praise the idea of a 40 ton robot observed by a sweatpants and flip flop wearing greencard carrying immigrant playing world of Warcraft over the road. Of course he’ll pay special attention while he’s next to you.

That's the guy driving the 40 ton non-robot, non-autonomous, beside me right now, let's say on I-80; closer to the actual reality today. I'm less than confident. Autonomous driving - probably not ready for prime time. Autonomous features - great safety adjuncts available today. I like radar. I like adaptive cruise control. I like predictive braking. I like HUD. I like IR night vision. All adjuncts to human senses and perception. Think modern fighter aircraft, with just "I'm a dot" pilot perception - just a high speed SPAD. In spite of the lightning reflexes of the 25 year old in the front, he/she is toast in modern combat without fly-by-wire, radar, HUD, Com. Come to think if it, at least out where I live, driving is not unlike combat....

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
what about the tech isn't ready? People say it isn't ready, but what is it you find lacking?

oh, this is too easy

a quantifiable need or an overwhelming requirement

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Originally posted by Doc H.:

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Originally posted by reflex/deflex 64:
Let’s hear all of you early adopters praise the idea of a 40 ton robot observed by a sweatpants and flip flop wearing greencard carrying immigrant playing world of Warcraft over the road. Of course he’ll pay special attention while he’s next to you.

That's the guy driving the 40 ton non-robot, non-autonomous, beside me right now, let's say on I-80; closer to the actual reality today. I'm less than confident. Autonomous driving - probably not ready for prime time. Autonomous features - great safety adjuncts available today. I like radar. I like adaptive cruise control. I like predictive braking. I like HUD. I like IR night vision. All adjuncts to human senses and perception. Think modern fighter aircraft, with just "I'm a dot" pilot perception - just a high speed SPAD. In spite of the lightning reflexes of the 25 year old in the front, he/she is toast in modern combat without fly-by-wire, radar, HUD, Com. Come to think if it, at least out where I live, driving is not unlike combat....

You keep on believing it can’t get worse. Normal is not where you need skill. This tech is only going to address normal. But it’ll damn sure be used to drive wages down, which will only allow less skilled people to be approved seat warmers.

I see this already. The more foolproof the system the larger fool employed by the system.

Technology has made the average person stupider. Look at the calculator, computer, internet and "smartphone." Sure it makes it easier to calculate, increase productivity or send and receive information but take those tools away and what are we left with? A bunch of people who relied heavily on that tech and can't do their jobs without it. When a machine produces a consistent result, people tend to lose focus as the driver of this vehicle did. Drivers are more likely to fall asleep and cause an accident on straight highways using cruise control than on curvy roadways with varying speed limits. Keeping the mind engaged increases safety and awareness whereas technology that reduces the need for people to use their brains. As a result, it instills complacency and the need to focus their attention elsewhere.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
As many have said, if driverless cars become as safe as human drivers, and if there is sufficient flexibility in the system that accomplishes that level of safety, then we should switch.

There is a whole lot of 'if' there.

We just had a long thread on this very topic, pre-accident. https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...935/m/7730081134/p/4
Prediction: This tech will end up being useful primarily because some of it will be integrated into cruise-control tech.

The more one knows about the limitations of software and sensors, the less one believes the hype. You couldn't put Watson in a semi-truckfull of space age sensors and guarantee it could operate perfectly. And if you're going to put your corporate assets on the line, ready to be held responsible to the same standards of every other life-threatening tech, with an imperfect product?!?!?!.....well, that's why boards of directors and CEOs get fired, and bankruptcy attorneys earn their pay.

And this beastie gets loose on the public thoroughfares to get tested? Well, till politicians, lawyers and the public start some critical thinking.

Right now, it's the zeitgeist to try to score PR points doing research on it, just in case. Can't be found not to have a lab doing the research - that'd be PR disaster.

It may wind up that some third-world countries give it a try - fewer roads, fewer drivers, less developed liability law. More power to them. After it's been run somewhere else safely for a few decades - as if - I'll agree not to pressure my legislators to keep Franken-cars off the roads I've paid for and my kids drive on.

The answer to road safety is not to compare tinkertoys to drunks and distracted drivers, it's to get the latter off the road.

The over the road trucking thing has already been done back in 2016. I have no idea where the program is at now but I guarantee it has progressed a lot further in the year and a half since.

Point to point over the interstate system is where I think the first true application of autonomous vehicles will be simply because 1) it is simpler compared to in town driving, 2) the federal government controls the standards for interstates, and 3) it will be profitable to the industries involved.

Link to Wired story

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
Stop being overly dramatic.

Where is the fun in that???



Self driving trucks in SoCal

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Technology has made the average person stupider. Look at the calculator, computer, internet and "smartphone." Sure it makes it easier to calculate, increase productivity or send and receive information but take those tools away and what are we left with?

I have brought this up in threads where members support a cashless society and other wonderful ideas.

What happens when the power goes out? What happens when a rogue actor disrupts the system? What happens when the government uses the system to force their agenda?

The more society relies on this crap, the ruder the awakening it will be when it all shuts down one day. Few will know how to survive.

have we really become so lazy and bored with whats going on that we can't even drive our own cars?

whats next? sex by proxy?

shit..lets stop eating and just get wired to an IV...

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whats next? sex by proxy?

shit..lets stop eating and just get wired to an IV...

how about sex, with an autonomous robot, while getting an IV and being driven home by an autonomous car...

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Originally posted by HRK:

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whats next? sex by proxy?

shit..lets stop eating and just get wired to an IV...

how about sex, with an autonomous robot, while getting an IV and being driven home by an autonomous car...

After watching the video a few times, I assess that the driver was fiddling with a cell phone outside of the camera view.
Not "looking at the console".
I hope they pull her phone logs.

who should get charged?

I think both the driver and the passenger

Looks like the AZ governor has a little common sense, suspended Ubers from running these tests in the state.

https://www.cnet.com/news/ariz...t-self-driving-cars/