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Barbarian at the Gate |
Genghis Khan was the one who did that when he crushed the Khwarazmian Empire (central Asia and Persia). Few conflicts in history match this campaign's brutality. But it made sense, the Shah of that Empire broke a treaty with Genghis. Genghis gave him a second chance, the Shah insulted Genghis' ambassadors, so Genghis said ok, you asked for war now you have it. Genghis made his point in a manner that still resonates in that area today. It has not been forgotten. Leaders today do not understand this. We've turned war into a business and a "force for good" as stated in one dumb commercial. Either go all out, with a declaration of war, or use diplomacy. “Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present Generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.” ― John Adams "Fire can be our friend; whether it's toasting marshmallows, or raining down on Charlie." - Principal Skinner. | |||
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| 186,000 miles per second. It's the law. |
After 20 years spilling American blood and spending Trillions of dollars, the Chinese are going to walk in and take control of the natural resources and get all of the treasure. https://www.scmp.com/week-asia...-afghanistan-taliban | |||
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| Green grass and high tides  |
yep, none of that should be a surprise to anyone. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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| 186,000 miles per second. It's the law. |
"Accepting Chinese capital may come with expectations that Chinese companies will then be contracted to manage infrastructure, giving them at the least some influence over critical infrastructure." https://chinapower.csis.org/ch...and-road-initiative/ | |||
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... the Shah, Muhammad II, confiscated the three ambassador's (2 Mongols and a Muslim) assets, shaved the heads of the two Mongols, beheaded the Muslim, and then sending the two Mongols back with the head. Result - an invasion campaign. All over attacking and looting the Khan's caravan. History. Live or die by it. </chris> We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~ Benjamin Franklin. "If anyone in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want their head read, because as a government, you are not spending it that well, that we should be donating extra...: Kerry Packer SIGForum: the island of reality in an ocean of diarrhoea. | |||
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You understand that the Chinese have been there the entire time, doing just that, right? It's not starting now. We've been taking the heat for 20 years, while they reaped and raped the wealth. This isn't new. | |||
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| 186,000 miles per second. It's the law. |
Yes, I understand that. But nows its completely wide open for them to take over. They are doing this all around the world. Africa, South America, etc. | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
So are you trying to say we should stay in Afghanistan because the Chinese will walk in and take it over if we don’t? I disagree. Something will eventually have to be done about China’s empire-building, but us staying in Afghanistan for another decade or more to simply prevent them from going there surely isn’t it. Short of that, I’m not sure what you’re advocating for. If it’s just “yeah, but China…” then I guess we get it. That line of thinking can continually come up with “good reasons” why we shouldn’t leave. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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| 186,000 miles per second. It's the law. |
We should have left after 2 or 3 years, instead of 20. The results would have been the same. What did we accomplish? The Taliban will rule again and we are right back where we started. | |||
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We missed each other by a couple of months. Dec 2008-Dec 2009 I knew the guy who committed the shooting...I'm not surprised. All of them were on edge when we were phasing out the An-32s. Let's not mention the off-the-books resupply missions. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
You won't get any disagreement from me there. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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Or the coffins that might have bodies in them or maybe drugs or cash or other contraband? "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
In my youth I did three tours in this shithole. Fuck AFG. I don't care who runs the place. We fought tanks like they needed to be fought. Never enough. Not for DC.  | |||
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| Min-Chin-Chu-Ru... Speed with Glare |
I believe the fact that we had a military draft during the Vietnam war contributed to the timing of our exit from that conflict. Almost every American family had or could have had skin in that game, and thus, a never-ending bloody stalemate became inconceivable. I wonder if our Afghanistan quagmire would have gone on for so long if, instead of a military made up of volunteers, any son (or daughter) had faced being drafted to risk their life or limb “nation-building" in Afghanistan or Iraq. | |||
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Lots of American blood and treasure was spent without a clear objective for victory. I am sure that Biden is fine with the Chinese locking up rights to all of the rare earth minerals (as long as another ten percent makes it's way to the big guy). The Afghans never wanted to import western culture, and would never accept leftist morality being imposed on them without military occupation. My prayers go out to our service members who paid the ultimate price there. | |||
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Crazy factoid....the Soviet's were there for 9-years, late '79 to early '89. We're getting out after nearly to 20-years. What's left is an Afghani government that failed to get its act together and prepare for life after, a US political atmosphere that wasn't fully supportive of the effort and a military leadership (in-general) that continues to struggle with unconventional warfare both in prosecution and ability to explain the necessities to Congress. There was a 12-18-month period early-on where things looked good but, that quickly went away when general purpose forces started dictating the battle space and socio-political objectives crept into funding allocation. | |||
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