This was on July 1st but I just read about it.

https://www.wkyt.com/2024/07/0...under-investigation/

Deadly shooting at Kentucky gun store under investigation

By WKYT News Staff
Published: Jul. 1, 2024 at 2:56 PM CDT

CARROLTON, Ky. (WKYT) - Kentucky State Police is investigating a deadly shooting at a gun store.

KSP says they were contacted by the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office reporting a shooting at a gun store at Whites Run Road on Saturday evening.

Upon arrival, they say they located the victim inside the store undergoing treatment by EMS for a gunshot wound.

KSP’s preliminary investigation indicates that a customer in the store was viewing a firearm for sale and manipulating it when a single round discharged, striking the victim, who was also in the store.

Other store patrons immediately attempted life-saving measures.

The victim was transported to the hospital, where he died from his injuries.

The victim was identified as 50-year-old Chad Wainscott from Worthville.

KSP says the person who was handling the firearm is cooperating with investigators, and witnesses at the scene have been interviewed.

They say at this time, no foul play is suspected, and no charges are pending.

The investigation remains ongoing.

100% on the store for not inspecting the weapon before letting the customer handle it.

"Treat every gun as if it were loaded."

"Always keep a gun pointed in a safe direction."

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
100% on the store for not inspecting the weapon before letting the customer handle it.

Blame game right off the reel. Gets old.

And yes, if it was one of theirs, they should of.
But still. Do we have to blame someone for everything all the time.

Always inspect personally and always point it in safe direction.
More than the store are responsible, IMO.

As an FFL, I’d say the gun store has extra responsibility to ensure the firearm is not loaded. I cannot think of a good reason for a firearm in a gun store to be loaded anyway.

If it were a range where an instructor was training someone, perhaps.

Oh, I think there was plenty of fail to go around.

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100% on the store for not inspecting the weapon before letting the customer handle it.

100%? No blame for the customer finger-fucking the gun and pointing it at somebody? By that standard Alec Baldwin should be off the hook. After all, he (presumably) assumed the gun was unloaded because it had been (again presumably, he thought) checked previously.

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If we're 100% blaming Alec Baldwin, I think we need to do the same here. Although I do agree, the store does have some liability here too.


ETA: egregore beat me by >< that much!

Tragic but as a customer I both always clear a firearm when given to me and when returned to the employee and after asking to dryfire I only do so in a safe direction.

If we could just ingrain clearing a firearm upon every change of hands that would go a long way to prevent accidents.

Just like in the Baldwin case where the set armorer has all ready been convicted, the store and the customer both have responsibility for this.

The only difference I can think of is on the movie set everyone was supposedly briefed on procedures for handling the weapons on the set while we don't know if the customer has ever heard of any kind of rules of gun safety.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
100% on the store for not inspecting the weapon before letting the customer handle it.

Blame game right off the reel. Gets old.

And yes, if it was one of theirs, they should of.
But still. Do we have to blame someone for everything all the time.

Well, it didn't just go off by itself!

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
100% on the store for not inspecting the weapon before letting the customer handle it.

Blame game right off the reel. Gets old.

And yes, if it was one of theirs, they should of.
But still. Do we have to blame someone for everything all the time.

Well is surely isn't the victim's fault now is it?
Lets see. Correct me if I'm wrong, no loaded firearms are to be in the build unless in the shooting range.
And always keep the firearm pointed in a safe direction.

That cartridge didn't just get in there all by itself now did it Alec?

And yes, we should point out the follies of others and hold them accountable every damn time.

Sometimes gun store employees try to hand me closed guns without checking or opening the chamber. It can be a tough call, as one time I asked the counter man to open a 45 before he handed it to me, and he proceeded to point the pistol at my belly while he opened the damn slide, stupid fuck. If I was a gun store owner I would not keep an employee that was stupid enough to fail that common sense practice.

In this case it looks like the gun shop is gonna have to bear some damages since one would expect the gun store counter person to have good knowledge and 100% dependable muscle memory for properly handling ALL of the guns he is selling.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
100% on the store for not inspecting the weapon before letting the customer handle it.

Every person who touched the firearm has a portion of responsibility.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
100% on the store for not inspecting the weapon before letting the customer handle it.

Every person who touched the firearm has a portion of responsibility.

Exactly.
Just like with Alec Baldwin. Ir was his job to inspect his weapon/prop. The armorer should have inspected it before she gave it to him too.
The clerk should have cleared the chamber before handing it to the customer.
The customer should have checked the chamber. THe ONLY thing that would allow not inspecting the chamber is if they had no prior firearms training or experience. Then it's up to the clerk.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

Blame game right off the reel. Gets old.

And yes, if it was one of theirs, they should of.
But still. Do we have to blame someone for everything all the time.

You're goddammed right I will.

I stand by my statement.

Every disaster has a chain of events and the employee is the last link in that chain before it was handed to the customer. The customer SHOULD have checked it, but it is 100% on the store to ensure the weapon is not loaded.

I check every weapon I'm handed after an employee checks it, but I kinda have a little experience. Evidently that customer didn't.

Store, 100%.

When an innocent bystander's life is taken, yeah, blame must be assigned.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

Blame game right off the reel. Gets old.

And yes, if it was one of theirs, they should of.
But still. Do we have to blame someone for everything all the time.

You're goddammed right I will.

I stand by my statement.

Every disaster has a chain of events and the employee is the last link in that chain before it was handed to the customer. The customer SHOULD have checked it, but it is 100% on the store to ensure the weapon is not loaded.

I check every weapon I'm handed after an employee checks it, but I kinda have a little experience. Evidently that customer didn't.

Store, 100%.

We don’t know this with the information given.

It is possible the person handling the gun was a complete numb nuts and thought it was a good idea to see if the magazine he had in his pocket would fit the gun.

Even if that is not the case there is still some blame on the person who actually pulled the trigger.

Many years ago, I was handed a Beretta Bobcat .22 at a gun show by a dealer. When I tipped the barrel up to inspect it, i discovered a round in the chamber and saw a loaded mag in it. The dealer turned white as a sheet. Every gun is loaded, always.

The times I’ve handled a gun at a shop, gunshow, or friend’s house, I always point it in a safe direction while doing so. This could be the floor, ceiling, or towards a corner, with respect to ricocheting.

This is without any finger near the trigger.

If a routine showing, the counter person should have opened the action before handing the gun over. Of course I don’t know all the details here.