They're firing missiles at Tel Aviv. That didn't last long.

Iran's communications are shit right now. On top of that, their command structure is compartmentalized. Either someone didn't get the word, or Iran is using the excuse that someone didn't get the word.

If the attacks continue past tonight, then you can break out the world-weary pessimism, but let's give the machinery a chance to stop.

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Originally posted by powermad:
I still can't get any of them to give me a specific thing he has done unlawfully other than the pedo and 34 time felon retardation.

Where do people get the "pedo" thing?

Stories abound regarding JB showering with his daughter, kids rubbing his legs in the pool, and so on... but I've not heard a single thing like that regarding President Trump. What gives?

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by powermad:
I still can't get any of them to give me a specific thing he has done unlawfully other than the pedo and 34 time felon retardation.

Where do people get the "pedo" thing?

Stories abound regarding JB showering with his daughter, kids rubbing his legs in the pool, and so on... but I've not heard a single thing like that regarding President Trump. What gives?

Their imaginary Epstein "evidence" against Trump that Biden didn't gleefully release in 4 years of lawfare and now they claim the Trump admin is covering up. The girls Epstein and Maxwell were trafficking were under 18 (e.g. Virginia Guthrie at age 16) thus making the men who had sex with them pedos.

IME, facts don't matter to that crowd and it's just more Orange Man Bad TDS.

Another post from the WH's official Twitter channel:

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/statu...663632342130898?s=20

Thank you, tatortodd.

Let’s just wait for the Chinese to get the hypersonic anti ship missiles to Iran so they can actually attack our carriers. Or more Russian Verba MANPADS to knock our planes out of the sky………again!
This pause only benefits the radical mullah’s.
It’s a death cult! See it for what it is.

"If the US stops attacking us, we'll stop defending ourselves"

Gotcha.... I mean it makes sense.

PS - If all your powerful forces can muster is defensive ops, they aren't that powerful.

Iran has agreed to 12 of the US conditions, with the remaining three conditions under negotiation for two weeks:

1- Permanent commitment to not possessing nuclear weapons
2- Handing over enriched uranium to the International Atomic Energy Agency
3- Allowing the Agency to monitor all nuclear infrastructure
4- Permanently halting uranium enrichment inside Iran
5- Reducing missiles in range and number
6- Immediately abandoning support for militias and proxies in the region
7- Ceasing strikes on regional Gulf energy facilities
8- Immediately reopening the Strait of Hormuz without conditions or fees
9- Lifting all sanctions imposed on Iran
10- Cancelling the mechanism for reimposing UN sanctions
12- US support for the Bushehr nuclear power plant on the condition that it be under direct American oversight

I don’t like 9 and 10.

^^^ saigonsmuggler, got a link to what you posted? I can’t find anything that says Iran has agreed to such. Grok and Google AI found no such 12-point agreement. And what are the remaining three conditions?

This is a win.

No, I don't trust the Iranians, but if you're not going to put troops on the ground to exert direct physical control of the country, ultimately any resolution has to come about through negotiations, and that had to be the plan all along if we weren't going to do that (and I'm glad we haven't!).

We've decimated their military, destroyed their nuclear program, killed most of their senior leadership, and given the new ones something to think about before they try to get stupid next time. Getting them to come to the table and agree to terms is the only resolution here...better it happen without us killing thousands of civilians and creating a massive humanitarian crisis through the destruction of infrastructure necessary for the survival of the very people we're claiming to support.

If we don't literally and figuratively burn the bridges with the civilian population, we leave the door open to internal regime change and future cooperation down the road. These things take time, it's often a gradual process, and the IRGC has to be hanging on by a thread right now. That makes them pliable, both to us and their own people. Let's let it play out see what happens. Our strategic objectives are met...we can be done. Up to them if they want to see us come back and do it again.

What we've seen here is diplomacy through firepower, and if you're going to do that successfully without letting it turn into a protracted conflict, you've gotta know when to stop.

This is at odds with saigonsmuggler’s bullet 2:

“Pentagon chief: Iran will give US its enriched uranium or it will be taken out

Answering journalists' questions, Hegseth said that Iran will either give the US its enriched uranium, or the military will 'take it out.' “

https://mol.im/a/15714929

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
This is a win.

For Trump and the USA despite the headlines. Al Jazeera had the most honest headline, something like, "Trump pauses bombings as Iran agrees to cease-fire". The "American" headlines were more like, "Trump backs down and accepts cease-fire". The President set the terms: if Iran doesn't do this by 8pm EDT, the USA is going to blow up their bridges and powerplants. The whole world believes we will including Iran, so Iran made the decision.

There's no saving face for Iran unless it's for more punches by the USA.

saigonsmuggler, link, Link, LINK L-I-N-K LINK

Where is the link, question mark. Link, linky, linkadocious or I'm gonna takey wakey 'cause it might be fakey.

In conclusion, you need a dinky binky linky

#13 - violate or renege on any of these conditions and we resume bombing the shit out of you.

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
Iran has agreed to 12 of the US conditions, with the remaining three conditions under negotiation for two weeks:

1... 10
12

Where's 11?

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Originally posted by 12131:
I can’t find anything that says Iran has agreed to such.

Same. Having searched for awhile, not one single source claiming the 12 out of 15 acceptance. None.

I have read from various sources that Iran rejected the 15-Point plan as recent as the 6th. There is talk of a "10-Point" plan, but no clear indication of what that even means.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfr...dkt_nbr=010502tyoq95

Hegseth: 'Iran Begged' for Ceasefire After Crushing Defeat

Secretary of War Pete Hegseth on Wednesday declared that the U.S. military delivered a "historic and overwhelming victory" over Iran, saying the campaign left the country's military "combat ineffective for years to come."

"Operation Epic Fury was a historic and overwhelming victory on the battlefield. A capital V military victory," Hegseth said at a morning press conference, aired live on Newsmax and Newsmax2, just hours after a ceasefire was reached.

"By any measure, Epic Fury decimated Iran's military and rendered it combat ineffective for years to come."

Hegseth, accompanied at the press conference by Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, framed the operation as the culmination of years of escalating tensions.

He said that Iran had been "chanting death to America, targeting our people, killing Americans," while pursuing nuclear capabilities through "blackmailing their way toward a nuclear weapon."

He credited President Donald Trump with taking decisive action where prior administrations did not.

"Other presidents marked time and kicked the can down the road," Hegseth said. "President Trump made history... No other president has shown the courage and resolve of this commander in chief."

According to Hegseth, the U.S. and its allies dismantled Iran's military infrastructure in less than 40 days using "less than 10% of America's total combat power."

"We untied just a fraction of our strength, and Iran suffered a devastating military defeat," he said. "Together with our Israeli partners, America's military achieved every single objective on plan, on schedule, exactly as laid out from day one."

He described widespread destruction across Iran's military branches.

"Iran's Navy is at the bottom of the sea, their frigate class, their prized drone aircraft carriers, submarines, minelayers sunk," Hegseth said. "Iran's air force has been wiped out. We own their skies. Their missile program is functionally destroyed."

Hegseth added that hundreds of Iranian missile and drone launches failed to reach U.S. targets.

"They were obsessed with it, and they never got even close," he said. "Every single one of those shots easily shot down miles and miles away [while] they were blowing ammo into fantasyland."

He said a final wave of more than 800 strikes destroyed Iran's defense industrial base.

"What little they have left buried in bunkers is all they will have," Hegseth said. "They can no longer build missiles, build rockets, build launchers, or build UAVs. Their factories have been razed to the ground."

Hegseth said Iran agreed to a ceasefire under pressure, warning that further escalation would have targeted critical infrastructure.

"Had Iran refused our terms, the next targets would have been their power plants, their bridges and oil and energy infrastructure," he said. "President Trump had the power to cripple Iran's entire economy in minutes, but he chose mercy."

He also detailed the deaths of numerous senior Iranian leaders, saying the country's leadership had been "systematically eliminated."

"This new regime was out of options and out of time. So they cut a deal," Hegseth said.

Under the agreement, he said, Iran will never obtain a nuclear weapon.

"The president has been clear from the beginning. There will be no Iranian nuclear weapons, period, full stop," Hegseth said. "Other presidents said it. President Trump did it."

Hegseth also highlighted U.S. military operations during the conflict, including a rescue mission for downed pilots.

"In a daring 14-hour rescue operation... both pilots were recovered safely not once, but twice," he said. "Zero American casualties. The Iranians humiliated and demoralized."

He cast the outcome as long-awaited retribution.

"Iran's defeat is America's retribution for every American lost to Iranian terror," Hegseth said.

Hegseth said Trump personally praised U.S. forces following the operation.

"The president is proud of you. Job well done. But stay vigilant and stay ready," he said.

He also paid tribute to fallen service members and their families.

"To the families of our fallen, your sacrifice was in service of a historic cause. And we will always remember your heroes. Our heroes. We will continue to honor them," Hegseth said.

Hegseth thanked Israel for its role in the campaign while taking aim at other allies.

"To our Israeli allies, thank you for being a brave, capable, and willing ally on this battlefield," he said. "The rest of the world and the rest of our so-called allies saw what real capabilities look like. They should take some notes."

He emphasized the role of U.S. troops in securing the outcome.

"Our troops, our American warriors, deserve the credit for this day," Hegseth said.

He also invoked faith in describing the operation's success.

"But God deserves all the glory," he said. "Tens of thousands of sorties, refuelings, and strikes carried out under the protection of divine Providence. A massive effort with miraculous protection... God is good."

Looking ahead, Hegseth said the U.S. military would remain ready to enforce the terms of the ceasefire.

"The War Department, for now, has done its part," he said. "We stand ready in the background to ensure Iran upholds every reasonable term."

He closed by praising U.S. service members involved in the campaign.

"To the warriors of Epic Fury, I say, well done," Hegseth said. "Your skill, your bravery, and sheer guts and grit showed the world what America is all about."

US, Iran Agree To Meet For Talks In Pakistan Friday As Both Declare 'Victory'; Saudi East-West Pipeline Hit By Drone

Summary:

The Hegseth/Caine presser as expected declared 'victory' in Iran while Gen. Caine emphasized the ceasefire is a "pause" but US forces remain "ready to resume combat." Hegseth says "military will be hanging around in Iran, won't go anywhere, and will make sure Iran complies. Pentagon is trying to put a bow on Operation Epic Fury.

US, Iran agree to meet for first direct talks in Islamabad Friday, Pakistan PM Sharif announces.

Iran meanwhile demands stiff fees for ships passing through Hormuz during the ceasefire, and says it holds the final authority on which vessels get to pass. Tehran leaders have asserted 'victory' for Iran, amid positive international reaction to the ceasefire.

The first two ships since the ceasefire was announced have crossed the Strait of Hormuz after Iran said it will demand that shipping companies pay tolls in cryptocurrency for oil tankers passing through the Strait, as it seeks to retain control over passage

Saudi Arabia's vital East-West oil pipeline carrying crude from the Gulf to the Red Sea for export has been attacked at a pumping station, oil rises on the news. There's been sporadic attacks on other Gulf states too.

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US, Iranian Delegates Agree to Meet in Islamabad Friday

Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has announced that American and Iranian delegates have accepted an invitation to meet in Islamabad on Friday.

He said of a talk with the Iranian president, "I expressed my deep appreciation for the wisdom and foresight of Iran's leadership in accepting Pakistan's proposal to host peace talks in Islamabad later this week, aimed at our joint efforts to restore calm to the region. President Pezeshkian also affirmed Iran's participation in the upcoming negotiations, expressed gratitude for Pakistan's efforts, and extended his best wishes to the people of Pakistan."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...iled-internationally